Making My Own BCAA Pre/During WO Cocktail
- 01-30-2005, 01:46 AM
Making My Own BCAA Pre/During WO Cocktail
What's up AM Members. I've been reading around here for months now, and the board seems to have a lot of good info. I have been looking at BCAA products, like Extend and ICE. They seem like great products, but I just can't afford them. I have been thinking up a pre/during drink to make myself with bulk ingredients. I haven't bought anything yet; here is what I came up with:
3g Citruline Malate
5g Glutamine (maybe peptides)
Something for flavor (Crystal Light?)
This mix would dose products such as the CM heavier than EXTEND, and it contains ingredients not typically found in the BCAA drinks. Custom is starting to sell bulk Huperzine and Vinpocetine, and I can get bulk DMAE, so this could actually become a hybrid Neurostim/EXTEND and then some product. I'm willing to bet it will taste horrible, but if it works I'll take it. (I took EAS EcdyMax for 2 months; I can take anything.)
I would appreciate any thoughts/input anyone might have.
- 01-30-2005, 04:09 AM
Do you want a source of carbs? The mixture should taste pretty ok. Might want to add some B vits, esp B-6. Helps with energy metbalism, usage of aminos. Pretty cheap.My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
01-30-2005, 12:13 PM
Yeah, I was looking for B6, but I couldn't find it in bulk. I"ll check Custom again. Does anywhere else sell bulk, other than 1Fast and Custom if I don't find the B6 there?Originally Posted by motiv8er
I was wondering about the carbs too. If I use it bulking I will definitely add dextrose, but right now I'm cutting, so I only will on refeed days.
Thanks for the input.
01-30-2005, 12:36 PM
Even if you're cutting, I would definitely include some carbs.A 50/50 blend of glucose/maltodextrin. The carbs will go strait to your muscles during and post WO.This will go a long way in preserving muscle during a cut. Just don't take it before or during cardio.Originally Posted by Beowulf
Also, Glutamine is worthless IMO. Unless you're lying in a hospital bed.
01-30-2005, 12:45 PM
Haaaaahhhhh!!! But do you feel this is true for Glutamine Peptides as well?Originally Posted by Lean One
Thanks for the info. I've been doing some workouts fairly carb depleted and my endurance in nil, so I think you are probably right about the carbs during training. W/Cardio, once I get going I have little trouble keeping going (I used to run marathons), so I really don't need the carbs w/that. Do you have any thoughts on how much total carbs I should take in during and post w/o? I am 6'0'' and about 190 lbs, fairly lean, 10-12%bf. I am referring to carb intake for cutting. When bulking, I usually take in about 50g pre, 50g during and 80g post, all from dex/malto.
Thanks for the info.
01-30-2005, 01:12 PM
Why mixing dextrose and malto? I don't get it. They are essentially the same thing. Maybe 50/50 dextrose or malto mixed w/ground oats. That could be interesting pre-workout especially when hypocaloric.Originally Posted by Lean One
And as far as glutamine...you could say the same thing about arginine. Unless you're burned or sick. Or you could say the same thing about BCAA's. Unless your deficient. I think glutamine is probably overkill on a bulk. But in a hypocalorice state, pre-workout, I don't think it would kill you since you are sort of synthetically creating an 'ill' state where your body is getting everything it needs, thus begins eating itself. I'm not arguing and don't wanna argue efficacy of glutamine because thats been done a million times but just giving a different point of view.
01-30-2005, 01:59 PM
That is a very interesting point of view. I'd like to see how others respond, as I have always been a glutamine user, even though so many are against it.Originally Posted by Jay Mc
BTW, I usually post/read on the bb.com board, and the level of comments/dialogue, as well as civility on this board is infinitely better.
01-30-2005, 02:38 PM
My question comes from this, I was reading on splenda's ingredients, and its just dextrose, maltodextrin, and sucralose. Would that be ok to dump in my Post WO shake to replenish muscles? Would it better than gatorade?Originally Posted by Lean One
01-30-2005, 02:48 PM
I would say no more than 80gm total. Drink 1/2 during and down the rest as soon as you're done. About an hr later have your usual low GI PWO meal.Originally Posted by Beowulf
01-30-2005, 02:54 PM
It would not be better. Sucralose is a 0 cal sweetner and the amount of maltodextrin would make it not worthwhile. or cost effective.Originally Posted by BOHICA
01-30-2005, 02:59 PM
Dextrose is pure glucose;a mono sacharide absorbed very quickly. Malto dextrin is a longer chain poly sacharide. It's absorbed a little slower than pure glucose but still quick enough to make it ideal for during and post WO. Save the oats for your first solid PWO meal.Originally Posted by Jay Mc
01-30-2005, 02:59 PM
01-30-2005, 03:05 PM
01-30-2005, 03:11 PM
01-30-2005, 03:32 PM
that cocktail is essentially the same one I use for pre-/during w/o, with a little less taurine and a little more citrulline malate. I think it's excellent, but taste would offend some. I mix in some flavor; crystal light, cocoa with splenda (kinda nasty). I eat carbs 1 hour before w/o, so i usually go without here, or eat a banana. With the feedback I've read here, I might mix in some dex from now on. Easy to find, cheap. Nice to see another mad bulk-powder scientist at work!
Last edited by milwood; 01-31-2005 at 01:55 AM.
01-30-2005, 03:47 PM
You mean a mad bulk-powder scientist-in-the-making. I haven't done it yet, and it will be my first real venture. So far I have only attempted to use Bulk Caffeine Anhydrous :insert vomit smilie: and citruline malate, which I add to Neurostim. I'm hoping this will workout.Originally Posted by milwood
01-30-2005, 03:53 PM
Thanks for the input everyone.
I posted this same thread on bb.com. It is interesting to see how the two boards compare. It has had twenty% more views, but only 7 people have replied, vs. 11 here. If you'd like to compare the types of responses, check this out: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=401258
I'm not trying to say that bb.com is worthless. There are a lot of people there who are very knowledgeable, but there is so much traffic and so many repeat threads, that a lot of threads get ignored. And there are too many people who are always arguing about everything to the point that people get banned left and right.
01-30-2005, 04:26 PM
No offense, but I just don't trust or believe in alot of the things over at bb.com... I don't think they have the knowledge, experience, or the overall amount of knowledgeable people that AM has.
Last edited by BOHICA; 01-30-2005 at 04:43 PM. Reason: not to sound like an asshole
01-30-2005, 04:34 PM
Don't doubt people because of their age...if you read these boards enough and gain enough anecdotal evidence and experience, anyone of any age can provide advice.Originally Posted by BOHICA
01-30-2005, 05:29 PM
I used to call BB.com my home.(OMG, did I just admit that?? ) This was years ago. Eventually, if you're persistant enough, you are lead to places where real knowlege is available. That's why I'm proud to call AM my home.Originally Posted by Beowulf
01-30-2005, 07:07 PM
Not to misquote the great Jay-z, but I've got so many differnet colored random bags of powdered goodies that if the man found out I'd be sent up for life!!!!
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
01-30-2005, 10:00 PM
The knowledge and hospitality at AM is far beyond the best I experienced on all internet boards.
01-30-2005, 10:11 PM
Both Arginine and BCAA's have studies showing their positive effect using oral doses. Glutamine does not.Originally Posted by Jay Mc
As for carb sources, it depends on what your pre-workout meal consists of. Drinking a glucose mixture when you are already digesting a solid meal will not add any benefit and will actually cause more of a crash. If you havne't had a solid meal within 90 minutes then a glucose/fructose mixture would be the most beneficial. You will get a quick energy source along with a slower one that will prevent a crash DURING your workout.
This is one reason I like Vendetta because it has both sources along with free form amino's which show more benefit then straight BCAA's during a workout.
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01-30-2005, 10:17 PM
Bobo posted some stuff about how worthless glutamine is. I stay away after reading his post.
I'd add some diarginine malate and lysine (3 & 1 respetively).
01-30-2005, 11:02 PM
Thanks. The hospitality of AM in full effect.
Bobo, does that go for the peptides as well as L-Glutamine.
Maybe I will just say goodbye to glutamine.
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