A GOOD NATTY STRENGTH/ HARDENING STACK WHILE CUTTING?

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  1. Question A GOOD NATTY STRENGTH/ HARDENING STACK WHILE CUTTING?




    Okay im 23, im diet is in Check now, 40/40/20 Macros, cycling my carbs every few days..and has been working for me....But i wanna add the extra edge and take everything to the next level. still need to get rid of 7% more body fat or so. But love getting stronger.

    Im looking for some supp or stack advice for continuing to gain strength/ build what i can at a calorie deficit...I also would love to see some more progress from the hardening/ lean aspect.....

    I have never taken Test boosters, but not against them, just dunno how much they would help at my age. And don't know how much a fat burner would help wither. Thoughts on Animal M-stak? Erase? Test Powder? Anything Else

    Current Stack:

    Con-Cret Creatine
    Iso 100 Protein
    Agmatine
    Pump HD preworkout
    BCAA (xtend)
    Fish Oil
    Multi (optimen)
    CLA core


  2. DAA/Erase stack

  3. Quote Originally Posted by throneof View Post
    DAA/Erase stack
    Thoughts on if I would benefit from DAA, and DAA/ Erase dosing times?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Thoughts on if I would benefit from DAA, and DAA/ Erase dosing times?
    he prolly wouldn't have posted them, if he didn't think they would be beneficial for you .. just a guess tho


    similarly, we have our Pure Test/REV PCT stack, which can be used as an all-natural test booster and gets great feedback
    our REV PCT includes arimistane as does the Erase, our product is just a bit more extensive

    AND - you cannot beat the value for the combo of these two, priced under $30

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  5. okay probably a dumb ?, but the PCT Rev Blck has DAA in it also, is that an issue/ would the pure test be needed, or is the Arimistane, the ingredient I am shooting for in the PCT Rev?

  6. Possible Side effects of these? or should I just stick to trying Animal M-Stak or something first

  7. REV PCT has some DAA in kit, but not the dose required to really produce results..it is simply in there for synergism purposes
    hence, why we advise the 1-2 combo...the reason to pick up the REV is due to the powerhouse of arimistane it contains
    following advised dosing guidelines, you should experience no sides

  8. Thanks for the help, is in your experience is DAA the best for naturally raising test/ boost performance, or are there better options out there that I just don't know about like other legal anabolics?

  9. Love me some DAA+erase
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Thanks for the help, is in your experience is DAA the best for naturally raising test/ boost performance, or are there better options out there that I just don't know about like other legal anabolics?
    certainly there are a lot of options, and you will get various differing opinions from different ppl..that's how this forum works
    I have given you my own recommendation, based on what I feel and also what feedback others have given from use

  11. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Love me some DAA+erase
    Thanks for the reply, what were your results with this stack/ any side effects?

  12. Erase + Anabeta Elite + EC + Forskolin 95

  13. Based on your goals, it sounds like Erase and Alphamine would treat you well http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...-capsules.html and http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...210-grams.html

    Adding in Forskolin 95 would help speed things up as well. If you're looking for a quality DAA product, take a look at the one from SNS. I haven't used their Arachidonic Acid product (X-Gels) yet, but others seem to love them. The list could go on, but it's usually best to start out with one or two to see how they work for you and go from there.
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    Thanks for the reply, would I need to make any tweaks/remove any supplements from my current stack I listed at the beginning to make room for any of these supplements? Like erase, DDA, alphamine, or Forskolin?

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
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    Thanks for the reply, would I need to make any tweaks/remove any supplements from my current stack I listed at the beginning to make room for any of these supplements? Like erase, DDA, alphamine, or Forskolin?
    Not at all. You're good to go
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  17. Have you looked into ara?

  18. The new ABE + ArA would be my recommendation. Adding in Alphamine wouldn't hurt either.
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  19. You will get very different opinions based on what people think will serve you best.

    I recommend Xgels which contains Ara which has soon-to-be-published data showing increases in strength and lean mass in the human model,forskolin with human data showing a decrease in fat mass and an increase in lean mass and the new Anabeta elite or Erase.

    Other stack options could be:

    -Xgels + alphamine + forskolin
    - SNS DAA + Erase
    -Xgels +Endosurge turbo+ forskolin
    - Xgels + mass fx black

    I could go on. The possibilies and amount of options is almost limitless
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  20. Thanks for the replys everyone. I haven't really done any research on ARA. But hear a lot of people talking about it now. Thoughts/ experienced advice on this?

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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    You will get very different opinions based on what people think will serve you best.

    I recommend Xgels which contains Ara which has soon-to-be-published data showing increases in strength and lean mass in the human model,forskolin with human data showing a decrease in fat mass and an increase in lean mass and the new Anabeta elite or Erase.

    Other stack options could be:

    -Xgels + alphamine + forskolin
    - SNS DAA + Erase
    -Xgels +Endosurge turbo+ forskolin
    - Xgels + mass fx black

    I could go on. The possibilies and amount of options is almost limitless
    Great options here. Running Xgels, anabeta elite and Other AS/PES goodies next
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  23. Check out Alphamax, it has both Arimistane and Forskolin which will be great for a recomp effect, helping you to harden up and burn some fat. As well it contains Divanil, L-Dopa, ZMA and Vitmain D3 to help increase testosterone helping to perserve lean mass and increase strength. As well its a non-prop blend so you know your getting a full dose of everything!
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  24. So another dumb ? Probably but is ARA essentially like fish oil?

  25. Probably another dumb question, but is ARA essential like fish oil?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    So another dumb ? Probably but is ARA essentially like fish oil?
    It is an Omega 6 fatty acid. Most tend to stop fish oil dosing while on ArA or dose 4-6 hours away from your ArA dose.
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  27. Once you're finished with concrete trade it out for SNS mcc

  28. So based on my goals and what y'all have said, does this stack sound good:

    Creatine
    Alphamax
    X gels ARA
    CLA
    ISO 100 protein
    Agmatine
    Pump hd PWO
    Possibly a fat burner like alphamine if not seeing good enough results.

    Thoughts?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    So based on my goals and what y'all have said, does this stack sound good: Creatine Alphamax X gels ARA CLA ISO 100 protein Agmatine Pump hd PWO Possibly a fat burner like alphamine if not seeing good enough results. Thoughts?
    Drop the CLA.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Drop the CLA.
    Agreed

  31. Another question, since I'm 23 and don't exactly think I have low test, would I benefit more from DAA and erase or would alphamax be enough? Anyone have some better experience/ results with these?

  32. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Another question, since I'm 23 and don't exactly think I have low test, would I benefit more from DAA and erase or would alphamax be enough? Anyone have some better experience/ results with these?
    Alphamax is a good option, although id pick up two bottles +more forskolin
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Alphamax is a good option, although id pick up two bottles +more forskolin
    Why do u say two bottles, what have ur results with alphamax looked like/ how long it really takes to start working well..

  34. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Why do u say two bottles, what have ur results with alphamax looked like/ how long it really takes to start working well..
    In order to get a full 8 week run out of it and the extra Forskolin go get a higher (for better results) dose (I haven't ran Alphamax).
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  35. Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    In order to get a full 8 week run out of it and the extra Forskolin go get a higher (for better results) dose (I haven't ran Alphamax).
    Bingo. I just prefer 8week runs
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.
    And that is why you find the few supplements that do work, and stick with them.

    The supplements I recommend are what I find effective and work as described (which are only a few).
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  38. Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.
    I do agree there, I have tried a lot of supp, but never ARA, boosters, or any hardening agents. Was just trying to see/ get opinions on them for that little extra edge. Especially since I'm trying to gain strength and get rid of some body fat.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    And that is why you find the few supplements that do work, and stick with them. The supplements I recommend are what I find effective and work as described (which are only a few).
    So would two of your few include ARA, and Forskolin?

  40. Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    So would two of your few include ARA, and Forskolin?
    Yes. In my top 5.

    ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
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