Test booster/AIs/etc. on a cut

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I love the way AIs dry me out when I cut. The muscle hardness is always something I notice.
    This is true but recently I've noticed more and more people using AIs TOO often. OTC or not , if you start messing with your test and estro levels too much it can cause yourself problems.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    I'm in the mind set that I'd rather use a complete test booster during a cut than using an AI, i find once you stop the AI on a cut that the benefits it gave you goes away fairly quickly

    thats why i'd recommend something like Tropinol XP over something like erase, it'll give many more benefits than just dryness that an AI won't give you on a low calorie diet
    No offense but this post is nonsense. Erase doesn't only work by reducing water retention. You should probably look up the various effects of 7-oxo-dhea metabolites in the human body
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    This is true but recently I've noticed more and more people using AIs TOO often. OTC or not , if you start messing with your test and estro levels too much it can cause yourself problems.
    This. Estro is important to muscle building as well; don't crush it too often
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    This is true but recently I've noticed more and more people using AIs TOO often. OTC or not , if you start messing with your test and estro levels too much it can cause yourself problems.
    x2

    I wouldn't touch an AI unless you are using some type of AAS/PH
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  5. What about Natty test boosters? Alphamax has armistane already in it, and most who use products such as Endosurge, DAA, etc... use erase to go along with that. I agree that they shouldn't be used longer than the recommended usage states but to each their own.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No offense but this post is nonsense. Erase doesn't only work by reducing water retention. You should probably look up the various effects of 7-oxo-dhea metabolites in the human body
    not really sure whats nonsense about it....a complete test booster will lend more benefits for someone who is cutting than what you've mentioned

    for someone who has diet in check and has a fat burner of choice on hand....then you need to look past fat burning aspects and into other areas: training intensity, libido, and overall feeling of well being or alpha, one of the biggest complaints ppl have when their calories are restricted is lack of motivation in the gym and feeling run down, if you follow what llyle mcdonald says then you know he says to really lift heavy on a cut...a test booster would help keep the intensity higher than what you've mentioned...since the diet and supplementation are already set up to succeed at burning fat then getting in good weight training sessions should be one of the next objectives....no one likes going into the gym and feeling run down or lifting with sore joints either

    i'll end this by saying erase is a good product and i just used it as an example, but since running it several times i'm in the opinion it's better for pct or stacked with a test booster than it is for fat burning effects
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    not really sure whats nonsense about it....a complete test booster will lend more benefits for someone who is cutting than what you've mentioned

    for someone who has diet in check and has a fat burner of choice on hand....then you need to look past fat burning aspects and into other areas: training intensity, libido, and overall feeling of well being or alpha, one of the biggest complaints ppl have when their calories are restricted is lack of motivation in the gym and feeling run down, if you follow what llyle mcdonald says then you know he says to really lift heavy on a cut...a test booster would help keep the intensity higher than what you've mentioned...since the diet and supplementation are already set up to succeed at burning fat then getting in good weight training sessions should be one of the next objectives
    What you're describing though is "placebo". I've never gotten anything like you describe out of a test booster. No "alpha" feelings, no increase in intensity, mild libido on some. Typically if I'm ever suffering from motivation and feeling run down that's where my pres come into play.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    What you're describing though is "placebo". I've never gotten anything like you describe out of a test booster. No "alpha" feelings, no increase in intensity, mild libido on some. Typically if I'm ever suffering from motivation and feeling run down that's where my pres come into play.
    Supplements effect people differently, just because you didn't get those feelings from it doesn't mean it's a "placebo" Test boosters wouldn't be so popular of a product if that were the case.

  9. The only motivation a supplement capsule contains is "placebo". People get more motivated when taking supplements, but that doesn't have anything to do what with it actually contains. That's what a placebo is. If there were actual motivation supplements we wouldn't have obese people who start the gym at New Years and are gone by the first week of March.

    Just my opinion on the matter.

  10. I can kinda buy into the statement that test boosters affect people differently. I personally have used many test booster to include every one mentioned in this thread. I get literally nothing from them that I can actually notice but i'm a healthy male with a baseline test level of 800-900 so take it for what it's worth.

    AIs are a different story. Good or bad I notice the effects pretty quickly.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post

    curious as to what part? the dryness aspect or the other benefits a test booster gives you

    because for me anyway, an ai type product doesn't usually give me the aggresive feeling in the gym, i don't usually get a libido bump from ais, or the well being ....low calorie diets tend of wreck havoc in the motivation in the gym which stimulants could help with but libido could drop and just that feeling of crappyness when your not getting enough carbs
    Because the effects can stay if your diet is on point as well as training. If I had rebound effects with AIs I wouldn't use them. I'd only look good for a few weeks then go back to a little bloat or a little more fat... effects last for me.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post

    not really sure whats nonsense about it....a complete test booster will lend more benefits for someone who is cutting than what you've mentioned

    for someone who has diet in check and has a fat burner of choice on hand....then you need to look past fat burning aspects and into other areas: training intensity, libido, and overall feeling of well being or alpha, one of the biggest complaints ppl have when their calories are restricted is lack of motivation in the gym and feeling run down, if you follow what llyle mcdonald says then you know he says to really lift heavy on a cut...a test booster would help keep the intensity higher than what you've mentioned...since the diet and supplementation are already set up to succeed at burning fat then getting in good weight training sessions should be one of the next objectives....no one likes going into the gym and feeling run down or lifting with sore joints either

    i'll end this by saying erase is a good product and i just used it as an example, but since running it several times i'm in the opinion it's better for pct or stacked with a test booster than it is for fat burning effects
    Maybe for you erase is best this way, but for many others it's great ran solo as well.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    Maybe for you erase is best this way, but for many others it's great ran solo as well.
    Erase / Erase Pro will always be a part of my cutting stacks.
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  14. Hmm, does anyone have any good/current studies of 7-oxo-dhea? Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to find anything conclusive on the internet. More importantly, does this ingredient have another name that I'm unaware of?

    Also, what does everyone think of bulbine? Seems to be a potent test booster/ai in one
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by ma70 View Post
    Hmm, does anyone have any good/current studies of 7-oxo-dhea? Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to find anything conclusive on the internet. More importantly, does this ingredient have another name that I'm unaware of?

    Also, what does everyone think of bulbine? Seems to be a potent test booster/ai in one
    Bulbine is a good product. I recommend giving it a try. SNS has bulbine and i just picked some up to try for a second time
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  17. I love Erase / Erase Pro as part of a cutting stack. I see reduced water retention, stay very lean and dry. I also enjoy the added fat loss that reducing estrogen provides.

    I've explained it like this in the past....there is a reason women gain weight on birth control. Jacking estrogen will promote weight gain. Reducing estrogen assists fat loss. Potentiates, at the very least.

    Hope thats not too redundant. Just my experience!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ma70 View Post
    Hmm, does anyone have any good/current studies of 7-oxo-dhea? Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to find anything conclusive on the internet. More importantly, does this ingredient have another name that I'm unaware of?

    Also, what does everyone think of bulbine? Seems to be a potent test booster/ai in one
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  19. I wnt to chime in bc I used to LOVE erase. I would use on a cut or lean bulk and end up super dry, lean, and libido would increase.. I used it 3 or 4 times at 3, sometimes 4 caps a day with the above results

    The last 3 times ive used it, at 3-4 caps a day, I notice little to no leaning or loss of water weight, and my libido tanks.

    I've actually had bloods show a drop in free and total test while on erase the last time with no change in e2....

    I can say from my experience it has been super effective, down to ineffective. Why could this be?

    Is it possible that after several 8 week cycles, my baseline e2 has lowered, therefore automatically assuming I would benefit from 3 caps daily is a mistake? It's very strange to me that the same product could just suddenly Stop working for me.

    I still love PES and support all their efforts.. I'm hoping the more knowledgable folk could postulate a reason for why this could be happening. I have a couple bottles left that I bought when I heard about the reformulation, so id love to figure this out!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I wnt to chime in bc I used to LOVE erase. I would use on a cut or lean bulk and end up super dry, lean, and libido would increase.. I used it 3 or 4 times at 3, sometimes 4 caps a day with the above results

    The last 3 times ive used it, at 3-4 caps a day, I notice little to no leaning or loss of water weight, and my libido tanks.

    I've actually had bloods show a drop in free and total test while on erase the last time with no change in e2....

    I can say from my experience it has been super effective, down to ineffective. Why could this be?

    Is it possible that after several 8 week cycles, my baseline e2 has lowered, therefore automatically assuming I would benefit from 3 caps daily is a mistake? It's very strange to me that the same product could just suddenly Stop working for me.

    I still love PES and support all their efforts.. I'm hoping the more knowledgable folk could postulate a reason for why this could be happening. I have a couple bottles left that I bought when I heard about the reformulation, so id love to figure this out!
    People have been claiming on the anabolics section for a while that Erase did not touch their E2.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I wnt to chime in bc I used to LOVE erase. I would use on a cut or lean bulk and end up super dry, lean, and libido would increase.. I used it 3 or 4 times at 3, sometimes 4 caps a day with the above results

    The last 3 times ive used it, at 3-4 caps a day, I notice little to no leaning or loss of water weight, and my libido tanks.

    I've actually had bloods show a drop in free and total test while on erase the last time with no change in e2....

    I can say from my experience it has been super effective, down to ineffective. Why could this be?

    Is it possible that after several 8 week cycles, my baseline e2 has lowered, therefore automatically assuming I would benefit from 3 caps daily is a mistake? It's very strange to me that the same product could just suddenly Stop working for me.

    I still love PES and support all their efforts.. I'm hoping the more knowledgable folk could postulate a reason for why this could be happening. I have a couple bottles left that I bought when I heard about the reformulation, so id love to figure this out!
    This is likely due to variables like diet, training, etc...especially in your case in which your body composition, mood, and overall feeling are so heavily dependent on what you're doing to your body at any given time (no offense intended at all; just saying that you've been in a rather "fragile" physiological state these past few years)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    This is likely due to variables like diet, training, etc...especially in your case in which your body composition, mood, and overall feeling are so heavily dependent on what you're doing to your body at any given time (no offense intended at all; just saying that you've been in a rather "fragile" physiological state these past few years)
    Yea I guess the more simple question is:
    is it possible that after a while, one would need less arimastane to get the same effects?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    Yea I guess the more simple question is:
    is it possible that after a while, one would need less arimastane to get the same effects?
    You really should take a break from erase. It sounds like you're fearing estrogen
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Bulbine is a good product. I recommend giving it a try. SNS has bulbine and i just picked some up to try for a second time
    Yeah that is the one I was looking at. Did some research and it seems to work under a bell curve principle which means one bottle may last me a long time since I don't need to dose a lot of it during my planned cut in a few months (I'm 195 lbs, so I think 1-2 caps is okay for me).

    Also, I did some research on test boosting in general and unfortunately my Google Chrome crashed (probably left it open too long or something) and I found some research that says while natty test boosters may not necessarily lead to strength gains because they are raising the levels in the "normal" physiological range, raising test in normal physiological range increases LBM due to increased fat loss. None of this is conclusive, and since I don't have the study on hand anymore don't quote me on this. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

    Overall though, I know not to expect miracles from natty products overall (except ArA, LOL. this stuff is amazing), but I like to know this kind of stuff anyway.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    You really should take a break from erase. It sounds like you're fearing estrogen
    Oh not at all. I haven't used it since July. I was off it several months and had no high estrogen sides, actually feels as tho I was harder (water) while off of it :/

    I only use for 8 weeks at a time and always take 4-8 off, usually more
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