Oxyelite pro (new version) powder &pills illness
- 10-11-2013, 09:25 PM
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- 10-11-2013, 10:54 PM
He is saying people there get hepatitis...not just ones that were taking oep...so just chance on the non oep related cases.FINAFLEX PRODUCT EDUCATOR
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10-11-2013, 11:41 PM
Oxyelite has been on the market now.. what .. 4 years? 5 years? Why is all of the sudden we now seen 20 something cases all coming out of one area in one sudden time frame, when this product has been consumed by 100 of thousands of people all over the world? Not to mention all of the knock offs of OEP.. why are those people not dropping dead either? If you listen to that Dr she says the product will "shut down your kidneys, make your brain swell" those are pretty outrageous claims. Something does not add up, and OEP is definitely not the causative factor.
10-11-2013, 11:44 PM
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10-12-2013, 12:12 AM
10-12-2013, 02:03 AM
This actually happened to me back in 2010. Liver enzymes went off the charts and felt like I was having a heartwith severe pain. None of my food would digest and the doctors had no clue what was wrong with me. Came home from the emergency and started vomiting blood. Went back to the hospital for blood tests and stayed there for 3 weeks without eating a single meal, just had an IV bag. Blood tests came back saying that my liver enzymes were extremely elevated and that is the definition of hepatitis, except for the fact that they tested me for hepatitis A, B, and C. All came back negative. They decided to shoot vancomycin through my IV. Started feeling well enough to eat 3 days later. Lost about 30 pounds while I was in the hospital. Some supplements can be hepatotoxic, so don't joke around saying it won't happen to you. It's something you never want to experience. It caused excruciating pain, so bad you beg for morphine every 3 hours. Stay safe guys.
10-12-2013, 02:15 AM
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10-12-2013, 02:31 AM
The counterfeit theory is an easy first explanation ,but I'm sure the FDA is tracing the chain of custody all the way back to the raw supplier and testing retention samples
10-12-2013, 09:51 AM
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10-12-2013, 11:16 AM
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10-12-2013, 12:36 PM
If you've been following Oxy has been on the market for a few years, but OEP powder, Oxyelite Pro new formula, and OEP Pro Advanced formula are all fairly recent products.
I'm certainly hoping it wasn't the supplement and I think many people are...but it's WAY too soon to say definitely yes or definitely no.
Also different runs of supplements could potentially yield different results especially if suppliers change so saying any product from 5 years ago is the exact same as the product released today may not always be true.
My hope is USP is not to blame and we don't get insane crackdowns on supplements.
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10-12-2013, 02:17 PM
Exactly. The point I was trying to make was, people all over the world get hepatitis. The only reason it stuck out this time because there were an inordinate amount of cases. Within those extra cases, 24 of the 29 reported cases were using OEP. I'd judge the cause of this by the majority of the similarity...In other words the ones that were taking the OEP. The people that weren't taking OEP and had the hepatitis, well that could just be considered an average amount of cases(normal or "baseline" cases).
10-12-2013, 02:19 PM
10-12-2013, 02:24 PM
Well, most people that are that sick wouldn't bother to start up their laptops, tablets or whatever and get on anabolicminds so they can post how sick they are. That's just ridiculous. Seriously, if you were sitting in hospital bed waiting to see if you die or recover, are you gonna be thinking about some internet message board?.
10-12-2013, 02:34 PM
10-12-2013, 02:37 PM
Regardless of anything, the fact is that these people are sick and they all took OEP. I didn't/don't mean to say that OEP itself is to blame. It seems likely some contamination issue is causing this. I feel terrible for everyone involved. Usp Labs is a good company and they have always be professional, kind and courteous. So please do not mis-understand me. I'm stacking Test Powder/Prime/C20 right now. Wore one of my Usp Labs T-shirts to the gym today. Something obviously happened that was beyond Usp Labs control to cause this outbreak.
I'm just a bit fearful because something like this happened to me before. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It was the absolute worst experience I've ever had in my life.
10-12-2013, 02:42 PM
That depends....After experiencing something like this it changes your life. I can tell you when I was sick, for several years after I didn't even go on any forums. Wanted absolutely nothing to to with it. The people that post on forums is a very small percentage of the world. Sure there might be a few people that do that, but not many...Mostly because a lot of them would get flamed, and just would rather not argue or deal with that.
10-12-2013, 02:46 PM
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10-12-2013, 03:43 PM
[QUOTE="Afi140;4197763"] A doctor can write about areas of interests/case studies for scholarly journals. Even if he hates supplements I doubt he would "produce" something like this (I think that is what You're insinuating with the article.) I vaguely see a connection but not really. Correlation does not equate to causation. However, 24 people using oep in Hawaii hospitalized all around the exact same time is pretty staggering.[ /QUOTE]
The more I see USP makes posts like that , the less neutral I become. Its one thing to bring up the possibilities of counterfeit ing( which is a real possibility), but to question the integrity of the dr is another thing.
10-12-2013, 04:42 PM
not everyone gets something when taking drug X, but most do wouldn't mean it's safe. The likelihood if something is really wrong with the OEP has to be contamination/QA otherwise we would be seeing this all over the place. It's obviously a really popular product.
It's just way too early to say anything more than in Hawaii an apparent correlation between OEP and illness exists with multiple people. Nothing more, nothing less at this point.
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10-12-2013, 04:54 PM
I'm not saying OEP is or is not the cause definitively. All I'm saying is that not all of the cases in Hawaii are linked to OEP. Some of the people with the same disease did nor even use OEP, but they still got it anyway.
I'm not saying anything about people who did take it that didn't have any issues, I'm only talking about the people with the issues that never used it.
10-12-2013, 04:56 PM
I did see a post on lean bulk forums about a guy in VA that had a liver transplant that took OEP. Also a woman in PA. Not all cases are going to be documented or reported. Some people may not even tell their doctors they are taking OEP because they don't see how it can cause this type of problem. So there may indeed be more cases...Just not all cases are going to be reported to the media or the FDA.
10-12-2013, 05:01 PM
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10-12-2013, 06:46 PM
10-12-2013, 07:02 PM
I don't know if the media has its facts too straight. Specifics are sometimes twisted, left out or wrong. Maybe he was cycling the original for 2 years until the new stuff came out and he switched....Personally I would guess it's some type of contamination. If it is counterfeits I wonder what steps are being taken to prevent this, or protect the consumer. Maybe there is a higher concentration of people using supplements in Hawaii?. I'm interested in what the testing of the product(s) finds.
10-12-2013, 07:45 PM
Looks like Versa-1 might be gone soon also. Too bad, because I actually like the stuff. Still have a few bottles and gonna start a new one in a few weeks.
10-12-2013, 07:54 PM
I'm wondering if they are thinking that "Aegeline" is causing the problem. It is common in all three products. Seems like they are just grasping at straws at this point....Waiting to the tests to come back from samples taken from patients.
10-12-2013, 07:55 PM
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10-12-2013, 09:35 PM
10-12-2013, 09:49 PM
10-12-2013, 09:55 PM
Except for the obvious things, like people actually having non viral hepatitis.
Most of the FDA action to this just seems like direct shots at USPlabs and nothing more. I doubt we'll ever know what caused this, but the FDA is sure to hit USP with everything they can.
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