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  1. the first time I tried sulb was 1g. Don't exactly remember how I felt but wasn't overly stimulated or anything. I don'tthink it was any better than 400-500mg.
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  2. I may need to try Sulbutamine sounds like a good one.

    one of these days I am going to give modafinil a try as well.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I may need to try Sulbutamine sounds like a good one.

    one of these days I am going to give modafinil a try as well.
    May try as well. I've heard some good, some "does nothing", but the good I've heard sounds pretty perfect: focused energy without any tweaked out feeling.

    I'm curious if anyone has taken Sulbutamine (on it's own / with coffee) and at some other time, Modafinil (on it's own / with coffee)?

    I've only taken Modafinil, never Sulbutamine. At first I thought Modafinil was overrated, didn't feel the typical Adderall / Amphetamine rush of energy or euphoria. However, I can say without a doubt it clears the fog, makes you feel wide-awake but not wired. I really noticed when I ran out how much of an effect it was having. It's just very expensive. If Sulbutamine is anywhere close, I'd try it fo sho!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Raize View Post
    May try as well. I've heard some good, some "does nothing", but the good I've heard sounds pretty perfect: focused energy without any tweaked out feeling.

    I'm curious if anyone has taken Sulbutamine (on it's own / with coffee) and at some other time, Modafinil (on it's own / with coffee)?

    I've only taken Modafinil, never Sulbutamine. At first I thought Modafinil was overrated, didn't feel the typical Adderall / Amphetamine rush of energy or euphoria. However, I can say without a doubt it clears the fog, makes you feel wide-awake but not wired. I really noticed when I ran out how much of an effect it was having. It's just very expensive. If Sulbutamine is anywhere close, I'd try it fo sho!
    I've done it all. Actually jsut got my mod 2 weeks ago.

    No extra jitters for me when combining Sulb with caffein

    I wouldn't mix mod with stims. First time I took it i was retarded and took 200mg, then later in the day took a pre workout (375mg caffein/60 DMAA). I am very stim tollerant and holy ****, this was intense. Coulnd't sleep. It was horrible. I have been experimenting though. TOok 100mg mod and 200mg caffein today and am fine.

    But I really haven't noticed much from modafinil yet. PRetty dissappointed.

    Also, mod isn't expensive at all. What did you pay? It can easily be had for 1.50/1 per 200mg.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Focus xt and Huperzine A will help with ADD/studying while Picamilon is great for general anxiety. For days with extreme anxiety then Phenibut XT is great.
    As far as a "party type" noop I cant help you there
    We have some sample packs of Phenibut XT if you would like to try it
    Recently got off Valium after 8 months on it. Ready for something for occasional anxiety that's non-narcotic. If you still have samples, I would love to try also.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    I've done it all. Actually jsut got my mod 2 weeks ago.

    No extra jitters for me when combining Sulb with caffein

    I wouldn't mix mod with stims. First time I took it i was retarded and took 200mg, then later in the day took a pre workout (375mg caffein/60 DMAA). I am very stim tollerant and holy ****, this was intense. Coulnd't sleep. It was horrible. I have been experimenting though. TOok 100mg mod and 200mg caffein today and am fine.

    But I really haven't noticed much from modafinil yet. PRetty dissappointed.

    Also, mod isn't expensive at all. What did you pay? It can easily be had for 1.50/1 per 200mg.
    Thanks for reply! I think my initial mistakes were:
    A) Watching Limitless (a movie I was told is based on modafinil)
    B) comparing amphetamines to nootropics.

    I have self-prescribed clobenzorex (non FDA Approved, but widely available d-amphetamine). When I mentioned that to my doc (showed him the box), he prescribed Adderall XR 30 mg. To be honest, I couldn't tell a difference between the two, that is other than after a few days of Adderall I started to feel a bit crazy. I never felt that with clobenzorex. Makes me wonder why FDA would approve one and not the other (both amphetamine based stimulants)...hmmm.

    Anyway, as my tolerance rose, my doc didn't like the idea of me taking Adderall (or clobenzorex) for energy at 40 years old! So he moved me over to Provigil / Nuvigil (brand name for modafinil). I picked up a 30-day script (60, 200mg pills). Script said take 1 - 2 as needed. I took one the first day, but within the hour, I popped a second when I didn't feel anything from the first. I stuck with 2, 200 mg. (400 mg) each morning with a cup of coffee for the full 30-days.

    I too was a bit disappointed. It didn't help that my insurance didn't cover it (unsure why, maybe wasn't on approved drug list, maybe I have ****ty insurance) so the 30-day supply cost me $225 (ish).

    My routine became: I'd wake up, swallow 400 mg. of modafinil, drink a cup of coffee, and after a shower, I was super clear headed, wide awake, very aware, non-forgetful. I was productive (usually a procrastinator). At times, I missed some of the speedy euphoria of the amphetamines, but my doc made it clear NEVER to mix the two (your comments make me glad I followed his advise). The odd thing is during the 30-days, I remained mostly disappointed, meanwhile I was getting **** done! There was nothing intense, no tweaked out feeling, no euphoria, nothing I can articulate very well. I was myself, calm, just without the fogginess that makes me cranky, the constant forgetfulness that frustrates me, or the procrastinator that frustrates everyone (family and friends).

    So after 30-days were up, I didn't go back to doc, never got a refill. Seemed overpriced and I honestly wasn't too impressed.

    However, in retrospect: it's one of those "don't know what you've got until it's gone" things. I realize how productive and clear headed I was. How I knocked out stuff I'd let burden me prior to. Going back to my doc has been seriously on my mind, hence my interest in this thread: I definitely miss it.

    Side note: I notice it's now called "armodafinil" (not sure what the "ar" in front of modafinil means / does differently)..?

    Thanks again for reply, good luck with it...my hunch is you'll end up liking it (although I know everyone is different)!

  7. I have used armodafinil too. Supposed to be a weaker version. I hated it. Raised my heart rate a ton and make me anxious and paranoid as ****. It was horrible. Probably won't try it again and I have like 40 of them left lol. Actually now that i think about it, I mixed that with my pre workout too. Bad idea.

    I have actually taken modafinil and addy together. I was fine. Staggered of course.
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  8. Jesus!! I haven't been on here since I posted this question. I'm actually overwhelmed at all the feedback! Right now I'm using St Johns Wort and Picamilon 250mg 2x day as well as Dopamite (dopamine enhancer). I'm trying to ween myself from caffeine with the help of tyrosine, DL Phenylalanine, and Ginseng. When I finally finish all that, I will most likely start getting into nootropics more. Also just went back to work, so I need to get some $$$ together to. But yeah, I'd love to build a nice feel good stack. I love my uppers, so anything stimulating without caffeine would def be good.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post

    Recently got off Valium after 8 months on it. Ready for something for occasional anxiety that's non-narcotic. If you still have samples, I would love to try also.
    PM me your shipping info and i'll ask mw1 today about pheni samples
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by grumblecakes View Post
    I've been dosing:
    - oxi- for the past 4 months @ 5-10g/day
    - pi- for the past 2 months @ 10g/day
    - ani- for the past 1 month @ 5g/day


    I started the ani- about a month ago. I'm not too sure I enjoy it at this point as I seem to experience a feeling of dulled emotions. Don't get me wrong, it helps me to not get distracted by things, but I enjoy experiencing my emotions. I'm currently considering dropping it entirely.



    NOTES:
    ani- is fat soluble so I typically drop it with liquid fish oil in AM following breakfast (I also put 2 tbsps of olive oil on my eggs every morning)
    oxi- has a very pleasant "artificial sweetener-like" sweetness
    pi- is bitter sweet


    I'd be happy to discuss further...
    Well, first off, I am surprised that you are not sitting in a fogged out stupor with the amount of ani you are taking. That is almost 3x the recommended dose and if you know racetams at all, the bell curve is not forgiving. You need to stick to 750mg 2x a day with fat and a good choline source like AGPC. I can personally attest to going over by as little as 750mg on ani and feeling dull and emotionless. At recommended doses, it is a strong anxiolytic and great for social and speaking situations.

    Second, I will recommend to anyone in this thread looking for an uplifting and hyper aware racetam, to check out phenylpiracetam. As little as 100mg will take you on a 6-7 hour journey of acute awareness and incredibly heightened sense of well being and clarity.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post

    Well, first off, I am surprised that you are not sitting in a fogged out stupor with the amount of ani you are taking. That is almost 3x the recommended dose and if you know racetams at all, the bell curve is not forgiving. You need to stick to 750mg 2x a day with fat and a good choline source like AGPC. I can personally attest to going over by as little as 750mg on ani and feeling dull and emotionless. At recommended doses, it is a strong anxiolytic and great for social and speaking situations.

    Second, I will recommend to anyone in this thread looking for an uplifting and hyper aware racetam, to check out phenylpiracetam. As little as 100mg will take you on a 6-7 hour journey of acute awareness and incredibly heightened sense of well being and clarity.
    I second this. I cannot see why anyone would subject themselves to the outrageous amounts that I see some people taking. There is a point where it all becomes counter productive and useless.

    Yeah we are all different but there comes a point where this reasoning becomes more of an excuse to indulge.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Well, first off, I am surprised that you are not sitting in a fogged out stupor with the amount of ani you are taking. That is almost 3x the recommended dose and if you know racetams at all, the bell curve is not forgiving. You need to stick to 750mg 2x a day with fat and a good choline source like AGPC. I can personally attest to going over by as little as 750mg on ani and feeling dull and emotionless. At recommended doses, it is a strong anxiolytic and great for social and speaking situations..
    I am aware that it is almost 3x the recommended dose and that racetams function on a bell curve. I started at 750mg 2x/day for several weeks before eventually setting on the 5g/day. I'll admit that the few times I *did* go over 5g I had a "durr" moment - I felt I couldn't get enough stimulation to keep my brain engaged. Outside of that, the only time I experienced any brain fog was with my initial dosages of piracetam and the only times I'm not focused are when there is far too much stimuli around me (e.g. working in a team conference room w/ multiple discussions in the background) or when I allow my attention to wander more than I typically allow it.
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