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    Best supplement for strength output


    The title is self-explanatory. What are the best supplements and a little science behind them?

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    Creatine
    Caffeine
    Ephedrine
    Amentoflavone
    Nitrates
    Citrulline Malate
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    Prime. hit or miss product, but if you respond to it, you will never use another natty product (for strength) again. If you like Prime solo, add in DAA, Erase, Anabeta and you have one heck of a stack.
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    lol 2 answers, no science yet
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    Food...food grows muscle

    Answer + science right there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    Food...food grows muscle

    Answer + science right there
    Yep... plain and simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    lol 2 answers, no science yet
    sorry im not a scientist or somebody who tests his personal Prime stash on rats and puts them through a training routine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Yep... plain and simple
    Damn science is easy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post
    Damn science is easy!
    You win at science

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    What the hell is Amentoflavone? I read neurons write up but I don't see anyone selling it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    What the hell is Amentoflavone? I read neurons write up but I don't see anyone selling it
    I know it's in App Nuts Uncut. I'd be interested in reading Neurons write up, was it in this forums Supp Science?
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    Just google it his blog is called high tower pharmacology
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Creatine
    Caffeine
    Ephedrine
    Amentoflavone
    Nitrates
    Citrulline Malate
    Good list! Choline and ArA also both have data showing increased power output
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Good list! Choline and ArA also both have data showing increased power output
    Acetylcholine works in ligand-gated channels, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    lol 2 answers, no science yet
    One big world of information called Google: you still can't figure out which supplement to take to aid with strength gains.

    Joke's on you, brother
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    One big world of information called Google: you still can't figure out which supplement to take to aid with strength gains.

    Joke's on you, brother
    Google is full of salesman, i would rather hear about real people and their experiences
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    ArA-X-gels are getting some great results right now,and there are a few logs going to check out!Also never forget the common ones-Creatine,Citrulline Malate,DAA,and food,oh the power of a good diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinterguy4 View Post
    Google is full of salesman, i would rather hear about real people and their experiences
    Then should we discuss the 'Search' function on the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Creatine
    Caffeine
    Ephedrine
    Amentoflavone
    Nitrates
    Citrulline Malate
    Winrar! ArA and TMG have some decent data on this (and I like both personally).
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    Then should we discuss the 'Search' function on the forum?
    Or even better?!? A comprehensive thread of opinions on the matter to point me in some sort of direction =0
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Creatine
    Caffeine
    Ephedrine
    Amentoflavone
    Nitrates
    Citrulline Malate
    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    lol 2 answers, no science yet
    You need science for Creatine, Ephedrine, and Caffeine? Three of the most studied compounds.

    Amentoflavone:

    http://hightowerpharmacology.blogspo...avone.html?m=1

    Nitrates:

    "Nitric oxide protects the skeletal muscle Ca 2+ release channel from oxidation induced activation." - Role of nitric oxide in skeletal muscle: synthesis, distribution and functional importance; MB Reid - Acta Physiologica Scandinavica, 1998 - Wiley Online Library

    and

    "The ATP cost of contraction in skeletal myocytes is essentially the sum of ATP consumption via the interaction between actin and myosin (actomyosin-ATPase) and calcium (Ca2+) pumping in the sarcoplasmic reticulum (Ca2+-ATPase), with membrane depolarization (Na+-K+-ATPase) making a further small contribution to the total ATP turnover (6). NO has been demonstrated to slow cross-bridge cycling kinetics (25, 34), reduce ryanodine activity, and therefore Ca2+ release (33) and inhibit Ca2+-ATPase activity (71), and NO may therefore have a regulatory influence on the ATP cost of force production. [...] in vivo data suggest that the reduction in V?o2 following NO3- supplementation is principally a result of a reduced rate of ATP turnover in the contracting myocytes, i.e., a blunting of the changes in high-energy phosphates would reduce the stimuli to oxidative phosphorylation. The reduction in muscle metabolic perturbation with NO3- supplementation, including a sparing of the rate of depletion of the finite PCr reserve, was associated with an improved tolerance of high-intensity exercise." -Bailey SJ, Fulford J, Vanhatalo A, Winyard PG, Blackwell JR, DiMenna FJ, Wilkerson DP, Benjamin N, Jones AM. Dietary nitrate supplementation enhances muscle contractile efficiency during knee-extensor exercise in humans. J Appl Physiol. 2010 Jul;109(1):135-48. doi: 10.1152/japplphysiol.00046.2010.

    And

    From: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...12.232777/full

    o Dietary supplementation with inorganic nitrate has beneficial effects on skeletal muscle responses to exercise.
    o Both mitochondrial and extra-mitochondrial explanations have been proposed.
    o Contractile force of fast-twitch muscles was enhanced in mice supplemented with 1 mm NaNO3 in drinking water for 7 days.
    o Myoplasmic free [Ca2+] during tetanic stimulation was increased in fast-twitch muscles of nitrate-supplemented mice and this was accompanied by increased expression of calsequestrin 1 and the dihydropyridine receptor.
    o These results provide a new mechanism by which nitrate exerts beneficial effects on muscle function with applications to sports performance and a potential therapeutic role in conditions with muscle weakness.

    Citrulline Malate:

    Role of nitric oxide in muscle contractility:
    http://m.physrev.physiology.org/content/81/1/209.long

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20499249/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21067832/
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    I am well aware of creatine and caffeine, i just wanted to know if there were any others out there. As far as ephedrine, im not sure about using it as i like to keep stimulant use to a minimum also it is illegal in the ncaa
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    No one has included AAKG's? As a precursor to nitric oxide it's one of the best. i see citrulline malate was also noted which works very similar but on personal experience I would prefer aakgs. Also d aspartic acid ( as it increases natural testosterone) , obviously creatine monohydrate and beta alanine has been shown to increase strength and endurance is weight lifting
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    One big world of information called Google: you still can't figure out which supplement to take to aid with strength gains.

    Joke's on you, brother
    i was just pointing out that the op included
    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinterguy4 View Post
    and a little science behind them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinterguy4 View Post
    I am well aware of creatine and caffeine, i just wanted to know if there were any others out there. As far as ephedrine, im not sure about using it as i like to keep stimulant use to a minimum also it is illegal in the ncaa
    So is caffeine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Winrar! ArA and TMG have some decent data on this (and I like both personally).
    Good additions here can't forget ArA and TMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    ArA-X-gels are getting some great results right now,and there are a few logs going to check out!Also never forget the common ones-Creatine,Citrulline Malate,DAA,and food,oh the power of a good diet
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    I wish I gained any strength from any supps ive taken, I learnt just upping calories increased my power output every week! Im subbed, def interested in this thread.
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    What's a good dose for amentaflavone and what products contain it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    One big world of information called Google: you still can't figure out which supplement to take to aid with strength gains.

    Joke's on you, brother
    Your avatar made me flick my laptop..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    So is caffeine
    Well, you need a overdose of caffeine to actually fail a test, I never heard of anybody fail a test for caffeine?! I took 5 hour energy before test and passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    What the hell is Amentoflavone? I read neurons write up but I don't see anyone selling it
    You should try Applied Nutriceuticals Uncut. It is a pre-workout capsule that includes Amentoflavone in the formula. It really does wonders for strength and almost immediately too.

    PM @Obey46 and he can set you up with some samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post

    You should try Applied Nutriceuticals Uncut. It is a pre-workout capsule that includes Amentoflavone in the formula. It really does wonders for strength and almost immediately too.

    PM @Obey46 and he can set you up with some samples.
    Uncut is one of the only designer supplements (that I know of) that is readily available that uses amentoflavone. Good stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post

    You should try Applied Nutriceuticals Uncut. It is a pre-workout capsule that includes Amentoflavone in the formula. It really does wonders for strength and almost immediately too.

    PM @Obey46 and he can set you up with some samples.
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    Many solid suggestions.

    Search the forum for USPlabs PRIME®. You'll see a good bit of feedback about strength gains
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    So, what is the effective dose of amentaflavone?
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    Ive been reading studies on arachidonic acid and so far most of the studies suggest that it doesent have any "superior" role in building more muscle

    For those that claim so plz add in the studies done.
  

  
 

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