Best Noot for Contact Sports?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Coop is a big advocate on DAA for that. I think @Patrickarnold had a rebuttal to why coop mentioned DAA as a noot type supp but the convo never continued.

    I like you, have never noticed any sort of cognitive effects when using DAA.
    I can't multi-quote, but nootropics aren't all about feel. Activation of the NMDA receptor promotes a variety of integral brain functions.

    I have a lot of respect for PA but I'd love to hear his rebuttal about why DAA can't act as a nootropic.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I can't multi-quote, but nootropics aren't all about feel. Activation of the NMDA receptor promotes a variety of integral brain functions.

    I have a lot of respect for PA but I'd love to hear his rebuttal about why DAA can't act as a nootropic.
    Why does it act as a noot? Daa that is. I load before exams, just curious as to how it works as a noot and not just a test. booster
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Why does it act as a noot? Daa that is. I load before exams, just curious as to how it works as a noot and not just a test. booster
    It is an NMDA receptor agonist. The NMDA receptor is arguably the king of all nootropic targets: it promotes Hebbian learning, LTP, performance under stress, and more.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    It is an NMDA receptor agonist. The NMDA receptor is arguably the king of all nootropic targets: it promotes Hebbian learning, LTP, performance under stress, and more.
    Thanks for the crash course coop. Much appreciated.

  5. Alpha GPC + Cholin citrate + Ephedrine GREATLY improved my reaction time coming out of the blocks.

    If you're looking for explosiveness, stick with those.
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  6. I took ephedrine with focus-xt last week before a game of football and pulled off some pretty crazy catches that I would normally have never made. I didn't "feel" the Focus-Xt but have no doubt that my coordination was improved

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Coop is a big advocate on DAA for that. I think @Patrickarnold had a rebuttal to why coop mentioned DAA as a noot type supp but the convo never continued.

    I like you, have never noticed any sort of cognitive effects when using DAA.
    Patrick talked about this in his blog a while back:

    patrick arnold blog d-aspartic-acid-can-it-make-you-smarter

    "All this data represents intriguing evidence that d-aspartic acid might serve an integral role in learning and memory formation, and hints at the possibility of d-aspartic acid being exploited as a natural cognitive enhancing supplement. Based on the information provided in the study, a human equivalency dose is calculated to come out to be around 2-2.5 grams a day (most d-aspartic supplements provide around 3 grams a day.)
    So does d-aspartic acid have a cognitive enhancement effect on humans? A carefully controlled study would be needed to answer that question for sure, but right now feedback from users of my d-aspartic acid product (E-Pharm Testforce2) seems to indicate a subjective “brain boosting” effect. Hopefully some more research into this intriguing aspect of d-aspartic acid will be undertaken and more papers will be published in the future"

  8. daa significantly increased my anxiety making me seem dumber in social situations

  9. Quote Originally Posted by icecold9487 View Post
    daa significantly increased my anxiety making me seem dumber in social situations
    Were you stacking DAA with anything else?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I can't multi-quote, but nootropics aren't all about feel. Activation of the NMDA receptor promotes a variety of integral brain functions.

    I have a lot of respect for PA but I'd love to hear his rebuttal about why DAA can't act as a nootropic.
    I'll be back I may have misread in that focus thread...

    I wasn't being argumentative... and by haven't noticed anything I meant increases in any sort of mental aspect - studying, memory, ease of speech etc... not in an acute "feeling" setting.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    I'll be back I may have misread in that focus thread...

    I wasn't being argumentative... and by haven't noticed anything I meant increases in any sort of mental aspect - studying, memory, ease of speech etc... not in an acute "feeling" setting.
    Same with me, no increase in test either, I have blood test showing it didn't effect at all...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I can't multi-quote, but nootropics aren't all about feel. Activation of the NMDA receptor promotes a variety of integral brain functions.

    I have a lot of respect for PA but I'd love to hear his rebuttal about why DAA can't act as a nootropic.
    PA said this

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    D-serine would be preferable because it accumulates in the appropriate areas of the brain. DAA is more specific for hormone related areas
    after you said DAA and Judo posted a study on DAA agonism... maybe he has furthered his studies on it and found something more specific? I don't know I'm just adding to the discussion...
    The Physique Biochemist
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    PA said this



    after you said DAA and Judo posted a study on DAA agonism... maybe he has furthered his studies on it and found something more specific? I don't know I'm just adding to the discussion...
    I don't think Patrick was dismissing DAA, looks like he was saying that D-Serine is superior to DAA in this regard . Some people also believe that sarcosine (the other ingredient in Testforce 2) is a better nootropic than D-Serine and DAA, its moa also revolves around the NMDA receptor . So right on wrong it does seem that Patrick has spent alot of time researching this area

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mike0589 View Post
    Were you stacking DAA with anything else?
    yea with erase. so i don't know definitively which was the cause but i wouldn't expect an estrogen reducing drug to cause anxiety.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    For your goals:

    -ALCAR (reaction time) or CDP-Choline
    -Tyrosine (less hesitation) or L-Dopa
    -DAA (performance under pressure, confidence boost)
    -Caffeine of course
    ALCAR is great for memory I have No experience with CDP - choline.
    -I may not have noticed an improvement with reaction time as I used ALCAR long term (on a short break )

    I have never used Tyrosine but happen to have 200Gs from nutra in opened.
    -dose? Daily or pre event?
    -benefits?

    DAA is great. I didn't want this to be about test boosting/ph which is why I dodged this topic. That's aggression. I want to be smarter and think quicker.
    -LGs old prework out had a small amount of DAA for nootropic effects. I remember doing research back then on the topic. Agree 100% here

    Caffine is the most proven "supplement" for athletic enhancement (only possibly *****ed by creatine)
    - what about ephedrine INSTEAD I don't want to speed my heart rate to much from stims. Lots of running.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    ALCAR is great for memory I have No experience with CDP - choline.
    -I may not have noticed an improvement with reaction time as I used ALCAR long term (on a short break )

    I have never used Tyrosine but happen to have 200Gs from nutra in opened.
    -dose? Daily or pre event?
    -benefits?

    DAA is great. I didn't want this to be about test boosting/ph which is why I dodged this topic. That's aggression. I want to be smarter and think quicker.
    -LGs old prework out had a small amount of DAA for nootropic effects. I remember doing research back then on the topic. Agree 100% here

    Caffine is the most proven "supplement" for athletic enhancement (only possibly *****ed by creatine)
    - what about ephedrine INSTEAD I don't want to speed my heart rate to much from stims. Lots of running.
    Yeah you wanna use ALCAR for 1-2 months daily.

    Tyrosine is great at 1-3 grams. It helps performance under stress with lots of data to boot.

    Nothing makes you smarter but DAA should indeed improve various cognitive faculties.

    Caffeine > ephedrine. And I meant caffeine for its nootropic benefits...it is fantastic for mental performance

  17. have no idea what contact sports you're doing, but if its mma i wouldn't even think of doing ephedrine, while the stand up game might improve, you get taken down and face someone with a good top game/ a jiu jitsu practitioner who plays a heavy top game, and ephedrine isnt going to be a good thing.

    and if you're doing this on a professional level, there is a limit on how much caffeine can be in ur system, look up your states Athletic Commission before pop'ing some caffeine.

  18. The only thing attractive about ephedrine is makes it easier to breath especially 100C 12.5e (lower dose).

  19. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    The only thing attractive about ephedrine is makes it easier to breath especially 100C 12.5e (lower dose).
    look into cordyceps.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by thedarce View Post
    look into cordyceps.
    Cordyceps work completely different than Ephedrine. Substituting one with the other will not have the same effect.

  21. I have used many different cordycepts products many times. Ephedrine and cordycepts are both off topic though. That's my bad.

    Would thyrosine be taken daily or as needed?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    I have used many different cordycepts products many times. Ephedrine and cordycepts are both off topic though. That's my bad.

    Would thyrosine be taken daily or as needed?
    Taken both ways. When needed, 3 to 5g
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  23. Thanks. Looking to figure things out soon and keep reporting back

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Sprinterguy4 View Post
    Personally I like Focus XT+Fish Oil+Aniracetam+choline for pickup basketball and touch football games it makes me analytical and helps me get in the game
    That combo looks good. Love Ani, always use fish oil and right now i'm using Choline, Inositol and Ubiquinol which is making feel pretty good mentally and physically and very productive at work. Not sure if they are classified as noots though.

    Never thought of DAA as a noot before but now it's mentioned I definitely notice a cognitive thing during my am workouts.
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