Cialis/Viagra SUPPLEMENTS

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  1. Cialis/Viagra SUPPLEMENTS


    Can we have a SERIOUS and mature convo about this please. These threads rarely go well.

    Are there any supplements on the market that ***** these for erection enhancement?

    Not libido but ercetion quality.
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  2. Yohimbine will help with blood flow to that area and so will arginine/ or citruline malate. so....take these regularly. Used in conjunction with cialis it should have pleasing results.

    Side note: haha we are talking about pee pee problems *giggles*
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  3. There's nothing on the market that will compare to a PDE5 inhibitor like those drugs.

    Possibilities though:

    Horny Goat Weed
    L-arginine
    Maca
    mucuna pruriens (especially if Prolactin causing it)
    Yohimbine as mentioned
    DAA, possibly though this gets more into libido versus erection quality

    I've noticed some improvement with Alphamine, and could be in part to the Higenamine as well as Alpha yohimbine
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Yohimbine will help with blood flow to that area and so will arginine/ or citruline malate. so....take these regularly. Used in conjunction with cialis it should have pleasing results.

    Side note: haha we are talking about pee pee problems *giggles*
    Citrulline Malate has actually been studied directly for erection quality and has from what I've seen been overall ruled relatively favourable man. If just looking for strength of erection, not libido try out Citrulline, Agmatine, and or Nitrates.

    Again Citrulline has been specifically studied for what you're looking for. I recommended nitrates and agmatine based on my own results. Nitrates do seem to increase "strength" more so than agmatine but Citrulline is where I would start.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    There's nothing on the market that will compare to a PDE5 inhibitor like those drugs.
    Exactly. And in my experience, there isn't an OTC product that even comes close.
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  6. Thanks
    Oddly enough, cialis does NOT make me want to pass out (I suspect a BP lowering issue) whereas Agmatine does

    Maybe I'll try Citruline.

    How much?


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Citrulline Malate has actually been studied directly for erection quality and has from what I've seen been overall ruled relatively favourable man. If just looking for strength of erection, not libido try out Citrulline, Agmatine, and or Nitrates.

    Again Citrulline has been specifically studied for what you're looking for. I recommended nitrates and agmatine based on my own results. Nitrates do seem to increase "strength" more so than agmatine but Citrulline is where I would start.
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  7. 2 to 4g daily.
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  8. OUCH lolol

    thanks
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  9. Longjack, Maca, agmatine, nitrates, and rauwolscine, just to name a few. All of those are good options.
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  10. Link - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...2.01059.x/full

    Specifically this - " Citrulline in erectile dysfunction

    In single blind, short-term study in men with erectile dysfunction (ED) (erection hardness score of 3) l-citrulline was given 1.5 g/day for a month, which concluded it to be a safe and psychologically well accepted and reported as very satisfying by patients, although less effective than phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, with improvement in erection hardness score from 3 to 4 [86]. So, it may prove effective in mild-to-moderate ED that requires further research in this area."

    The link provided goes over a ton of different uses for Citrulline. It's a legit supp.

    *I didn't dissect the study looking for any biases etc it's just a newer Citrulline read I stumbled upon. Take it or leave it
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  11. No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products

    Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?

    Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products

    Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?

    Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
    VPX Power Shock comes to mind. And it should have Citrulline.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products

    Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?

    Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
    Evomuse Alphaburn comes to mind
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products

    Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?

    Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
    No problem man.

    There are creatine nitrates, leucine nitrates, bcaa nitrates, potassium nitrates etc... you could also up your dietary nitrate intake. Beets/beetroot juice are high in nitrates. A lot of high caliber athletes drink beetroot juice prior to big comps. I guess a sexual dynamo could drink it prior to bedroom Olympics lol
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  15. Our product Dpol has DAA/Nitrates/Vitamin D in it.

    There's no pure nitrates out there that I know of.

    Alpha Burn has pure alpha-yohimbine with just black pepper
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Our product Dpol has DAA/Nitrates/Vitamin D in it.

    There's no pure nitrates out there that I know of.

    Alpha Burn has pure alpha-yohimbine with just black pepper
    Yea I spaced DAA nitrate my bad man...
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  17. You can get potassium nitrate caps dirt cheap and it works great. Lol I pay 12 dollars for 60 days worth.

  18. Yohimbe has always been the most effective for me with regards to actual erection firmness....not libido, just keeps it hard. Good stuff....gets my vote over any of the other stuff combined (other than Viagra and cialis of course)

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products

    Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?

    Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
    Enhanced should do a number on erection quality, being dead serious.

    All of the following have data:

    Nitrates
    nPYE
    Higenamine

    The following mechanistically make sense:

    Choline sources (erection is parasympathetic/cholinergic)
    Agmatine

  20. Supersaponins is my favorite huge libido increase initially but then tapered off.
    I also think as others said citrulline can do wonders.
    agmatine and maybe nitrates wont hurt either

  21. I just took .5mg of cabergoline since I'm halfway through a cycle that involves deca, man that stuff works well for this purpose. maintained the erection for quite some time without even making a conscious effort. caber + cialis or caber + yohimbe would probably make for a fun time lol. Then again caber is an rx drug and I'm not sure if its up for consideration taking into account viagra and cialis are the comparison. But the natty prolactin inhibitors don't even come close to this stuff.

  22. It's hard to have stronger erection without increase in libido since brain is the one sending a signal for erection to start.

    Similar I've found I could take any kind of erection booster but if my libido is down then erection will not happen or won't stay as long as I want.

    Best option would be to stack libido booster & erection booster so no surprise Cabergoline & Cialis combo is so popular as weekend stack due to both having effects that last 2-3 days.

    Best potential to boost libido is by increasing levels of testosterone and dopamine and that's why (mainly) prescription or illegal drugs work so great until tolerance or abuse kicks in then you can get addiction and/or withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking them or simply tolerance kicks in and initial effect is gone.

    Erection stops after guys reach orgasm and ejaculate - when this happens prolactin levels shuts up so another potential mechanism to strengthen or prolong erection would be to reduce prolactin level especially if guy have higher levels in first place.

    That's why it's no surprise cabergolin as dopamine 2 receptor agonist works so well before tolerance kicks in - it raises dopamine (libido booster) and reduce prolactin (erection booster).

    But negative with any dopaminergic is tolerance (works only first few times), abuse, addiction, withdrawal symptoms.

    From OTC stuff I tried 1 supplement that did help in both areas for me was Tongkat Ali (of course not same strength as prescription substances) and I also tried to combine it with Icariin 60% and it was slightly better effect.

    Also tried few times Yohimbine HCL up to 10mg/dose and it helped a little as erection booster but again if you not horny no erection booster will do much since erection starts in brain and for this you need to be 1st horny.

    I also tried few times Citrulline malate 5g dose as well AAKG 4g that had no effect on me.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    It's hard to have stronger erection without increase in libido since brain is the one sending a signal for erection to start.

    Similar I've found I could take any kind of erection booster but if my libido is down then erection will not happen or won't stay as long as I want.

    Best option would be to stack libido booster & erection booster so no surprise Cabergoline & Cialis combo is so popular as weekend stack due to both having effects that last 2-3 days.

    Best potential to boost libido is by increasing levels of testosterone and dopamine and that's why (mainly) prescription or illegal drugs work so great until tolerance or abuse kicks in then you can get addiction and/or withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking them or simply tolerance kicks in and initial effect is gone.

    Erection stops after guys reach orgasm and ejaculate - when this happens prolactin levels shuts up so another potential mechanism to strengthen or prolong erection would be to reduce prolactin level especially if guy have higher levels in first place.

    That's why it's no surprise cabergolin as dopamine 2 receptor agonist works so well before tolerance kicks in - it raises dopamine (libido booster) and reduce prolactin (erection booster).

    But negative with any dopaminergic is tolerance (works only first few times), abuse, addiction, withdrawal symptoms.

    From OTC stuff I tried 1 supplement that did help in both areas for me was Tongkat Ali (of course not same strength as prescription substances) and I also tried to combine it with Icariin 60% and it was slightly better effect.

    Also tried few times Yohimbine HCL up to 10mg/dose and it helped a little as erection booster but again if you not horny no erection booster will do much since erection starts in brain and for this you need to be 1st horny.

    I also tried few times Citrulline malate 5g dose as well AAKG 4g that had no effect on me.
    I was wondering how the cabergoline effect would attenuate with chronic usage on a 6-12 week cycle plus maybe a few weeks post cycle. That is a long time, but I figured it would work and exert its effects over that period of time....then it would probably be best to only use it off cycle when you have a 'hot date' so to speak. Using it for several months straight EOD or so (only during cycles that would raise prolactin)......then only using it sparingly over the remainder of the year I hope would not cause any major tolerance. As for the yohimbe, I find horny or not if I cause an erection (again by whatever means necessary horny or not)....the yohimbe will maintain the erection regardless. But that is just my experience. And for whatever reason, the yohimbe fuel herbal extract works WAY better for me than the pure HCL pills available by other companies. I was taking one or two yohimbe fuel caps vs. 2 HCL caps though......and the labels say the fuel has more mg per cap (but its an herbal extract so who the fck knows what you get from it).

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    I was wondering how the cabergoline effect would attenuate with chronic usage on a 6-12 week cycle plus maybe a few weeks post cycle. That is a long time, but I figured it would work and exert its effects over that period of time....then it would probably be best to only use it off cycle when you have a 'hot date' so to speak. Using it for several months straight EOD or so (only during cycles that would raise prolactin)......then only using it sparingly over the remainder of the year I hope would not cause any major tolerance. As for the yohimbe, I find horny or not if I cause an erection (again by whatever means necessary horny or not)....the yohimbe will maintain the erection regardless. But that is just my experience. And for whatever reason, the yohimbe fuel herbal extract works WAY better for me than the pure HCL pills available by other companies. I was taking one or two yohimbe fuel caps vs. 2 HCL caps though......and the labels say the fuel has more mg per cap (but its an herbal extract so who the fck knows what you get from it).
    I think many thinking your way regarding cabergoline to use for longer periods not just a week or two but i think most of them found out that tolerance hits maybe already with 2nd or 3rd dose so after 2 weeks use or even sooner.

    I myself haven't tried cabergoline but would be interested just in Europe not possible to buy it without prescription and don't want to mess with customs if order from India that can be hit or miss with what they send you.

    Would be interested in yohimbe extract as well vs Yohimbine HCl cause other stuff in extract also work on erection boosting just again need to know for reliable herbal extract so do tell us here what you tried or send me PM with name of yohimbe herbal product or website where you buy it and how much you use and how often you take it.

    Few such extracts could be without yohimbine but maybe spiked with PDE5 which you can figure out by measuring your blood pressure since yohimbine as stimulant raise blood pressure where PDE5 as vasodilatator lowers it.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    I think many thinking your way regarding cabergoline to use for longer periods not just a week or two but i think most of them found out that tolerance hits maybe already with 2nd or 3rd dose so after 2 weeks use or even sooner.

    I myself haven't tried cabergoline but would be interested just in Europe not possible to buy it without prescription and don't want to mess with customs if order from India that can be hit or miss with what they send you.

    Would be interested in yohimbe extract as well vs Yohimbine HCl cause other stuff in extract also work on erection boosting just again need to know for reliable herbal extract so do tell us here what you tried or send me PM with name of yohimbe herbal product or website where you buy it and how much you use and how often you take it.

    Few such extracts could be without yohimbine but maybe spiked with PDE5 which you can figure out by measuring your blood pressure since yohimbine as stimulant raise blood pressure where PDE5 as vasodilatator lowers it.
    I think NP carries Twinlab Yohimbe fuel, which is an herbal yohimbe extract capsule that I have used and found most effective....so we are allowed to speak about it here. They are 800mg at 8% extract for 2 caps. So two of these are equal to ~3 Yohimbe HCL caps in mg amount at least (they are usually 2.5mg each). Twinlab is about the longest tenured and highly respected (and expensive) supplement line....so what is on the label? is in there I assure you. I have been using twinlab since I was a teen, and I'm 40 now

    But yeah, I got some caber from overseas recently myself, and I am 99% sure it was not legit since I got none of the usual (side) effects I would expect. Then I ordered some from a domestic RC company, and first dose it gave me all the indicators it was legit....which is odd for an RC in my experience. I also ordered tadalafil from the same RC company and I will use that in a short while to compare to how the caber affected me since like you say, how do you know your caber or whatever is not viagra or cialis? But I need the prolactin inhibiting effect of the caber to counteract the deca-durabolin (it is known to raise prolactin)...I don't "need" the pro-sexual effect, but its a nice "side effect". But I'll let you know if the cabers pro-sexual effects lessen or if they continue throughout the 6+ weeks.

  26. Other thread had guys raving about goji berry extracts!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Other thread had guys raving about goji berry extracts!
    I tried goji extract and either didn't feel much change or already 1 or 2 caps gave me diarrhea.

    If goji extract pills would be a close match to Viagra we'd definitely hear raving all over the world.

    Still I don't exclude with higher dose it can work up to some level for some men.

  28. Honestly, viagra/cialis is your best bet. It shouldn't be impossible to get from your doctor, and its never faked for research because results are seen in 15 mins lol. Kinda hard to fake.
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  29. I've used a product called Niox by Nutrex, magic.

    Amount Per Serving 4 pills
    Liquid NIOX Muscle & Pump Formula 4000mg
    L-Arginine Ethyl Ester Dichloride *
    R+Lipoic Acid *
    CarnoSyn® Beta Alanine *
    Rutaecarpine 98% *
    L-Norvaline *
    Calcium Phosphate Dibasic *
    Glycerol *

  30. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Honestly, viagra/cialis is your best bet. It shouldn't be impossible to get from your doctor, and its never faked for research because results are seen in 15 mins lol. Kinda hard to fake.
    yea for real, I always order some cialis or viagra with whatever (Clomid etc)....since they are about the only things you can gauge the quality of the RC company with. If your dick doesn't get really hard in a half hour or so? Then all their shyt is probably bunk Doesn't mean the rest of their stuff is legit, but its at least a good indicator.
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