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I have been reading alot about beetroot's benefits pre-workout. Just wondering if anyone has found any studies or data to show anything on increase in production of NO or effects on endurance?
I dont think anyone has nailed the amount yet .Ya I am not sure how much you'd have to consume for actual benefits. I do regularly use TMG and nitrates though so guess I am a fan.
All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.A completely different question but similar topic.. What are your guy's favorite Competition Nitrates? To use right before going on stage for vascularity, pump, fullness...etc
Sodium nitrate healthy though? Don't want to increase my risk of colon cancer any more.All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.
The sodium has nothing to do with that really. If you're worried about nitrate carcinogenesis, ingest it with Vitamin CSodium nitrate healthy though? Don't want to increase my risk of colon cancer any more.
Can't post links but If you google "nature's way garden veggies nitrates" you'll see the stuff has 500 mg nitrates in 2 caps and if like to subscribe and save its 6.99 for 60 capsIt's really impossible to achieve an efficacious dose of beet root in a preworkout product. If you want the natural route, pomegranate may be a better option, hence its inclusion in Enhanced
Instructions on how to take this? Like I'm assuming 1gr is a good dose? Also, I see "lab grade sodium nitrate" would this be fine? Is there like a brand you recommend?All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.
Dude, seriously awesome find right here. My mind is slightly blown based on the profile (even with dessication), but I'll take the study's word for it.Can't post links but If you google "nature's way garden veggies nitrates" you'll see the stuff has 500 mg nitrates in 2 caps and if like to subscribe and save its 6.99 for 60 caps
[h=1]Beetroot juice and exercise: pharmacodynamic and dose-response relationships.[/h]
[h=3]Abstract[/h]Dietary supplementation with beetroot juice (BR) containing ~5-8 mmol of inorganic nitrate (NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]) increases plasma nitrite concentration ([NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]]), reduces blood pressure, and may positively influence the physiological responses to exercise. However, the dose-response relationship between the volume of BR ingested and the physiological effects invoked has not been investigated. In a balanced crossover design, 10 healthy males ingested 70, 140 or 280 ml of concentrated BR (containing 4.2, 8.4 and 16.8 mmol NO3-, respectively) or no supplement to establish the effects of BR on resting plasma [NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] and [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] over 24 h. Subsequently, on six separate occasions, 10 subjects completed moderate-intensity and severe-intensity cycle exercise tests 2.5 h post-ingestion of 70, 140 and 280 ml BR, or NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]-depleted BR as placebo (PL). Following acute BR ingestion, plasma [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] increased in a dose-dependent manner, with the peak changes occurring at ~2-3 h. Compared to PL, 70 ml BR did not alter the physiological responses to exercise. However, 140 and 280 ml BR reduced the steady-state VO[SUB]2[/SUB] during moderate-intensity exercise by 1.7% (P=0.06) and 3.0% (P<0.05), whilst time to task failure was extended by 14% and 12% (both P<0.05), respectively, compared to PL. The results indicate that, while plasma [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] and the O[SUB]2[/SUB] cost of moderate-intensity exercise are improved dose-dependently with NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]-rich BR, there is no additional improvement in exercise tolerance after ingesting BR containing 16.8 compared to 8.4 mmol NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]. These findings have important implications for the use of BR to enhance cardiovascular health and exercise performance in young adults.
PMID: 23640589
Hmmmmm...hmmmm
A completely different question but similar topic.. What are your guy's favorite Competition Nitrates? To use right before going on stage for vascularity, pump, fullness...etc
I insist on da juicepills will still be more cost effective and easier to obtain but 140ml is feasible if one insist on the juice
Yikkess.. good to no!Most preworkouts that use beet root powder only use around 1 gram, which at most yields approximately less than 2 mg of nitrates.
You have to read the study On it. You see it in the search.I found garden vegges by natures way, but it doesn't say anything about nitrates on the label. did they change anything since your post?
I see. if you have tried it and it rocked your world, I will order some right now. otherwise, I wonder if that comma is supposed to be a decibel, as decibles were used some of the others in the list. I remember reading tons of articles on royal jelly claiming 1 gram had 400mg of pantothenic acid. I had seen government analysis and the b5 was measured in mcg and was far from even one milligram. I figure one day someone online made a typo from mcg to mg and it spread. I have to laugh when people tell me royal jelly consists of 40% one single b vitaminYou have to read the study On it. You see it in the search.
well, its 7 bucks a bottle. ive heard good things when you extract the juice from the plant, but that is pretty outstanding, considering I see oompanies bragging about how they standardized beet root to 1.5 percent. I wrote the company. ive never tried sodium nitrate, but I got this spinach powder from a bodybuilding company and I am very impressed. I had to cut the dose in half though due to it high chlorophyll (laxative) content. so im eating the equivalent of 90 grams (3 cups) of fresh spinach and I definitely have ALOT of muscle hardness. when I was taking the full amount, the muscle hardness was better than no2 at 8 grams so I was pretty impressed. anyway, im excited about this, but I want to find a better way. the guy who sells the spinach says two proteins are released that change calcium regulation and puts it into the tissues. I figure that makes more sense than ed byrds explaination, since no2 is gone in an instant, but calcium remains in the muscles once its put there, anyway, I ordered sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate, but im not sure how effectively these get calcium into the muscle.I haven't used it. Might though d/t how cheap a bottle is.
what did you hear about it? are people raving about its effects of muscle hardness or endurance?Ive heard a lot about this product and I think that its really a good one. I would say that it will be good for you to stack with something anabolic too. That would be the best thing for you to do. These two products together(something anabolic plus this) would really give you a boost in the gym.
Beet root preworkout will be of negligible benefit in supplemental form. Using a salt form as in Betaine Nitrate is a different story, though I'd personally stick with 1/2 a serving of max pump for safety reasonsBeet root is actually very good taken pre workout. This is why we use Betaine in our Max Pump to bind to the nitrates.
GtkThe study on Garden Veggies is absolutely incorrect. Not only are their calculations wrong, but I tried the product and it yielded no results. A very, very poorly written segment.
Of what safety reasons do you speak?Beet root preworkout will be of negligible benefit in supplemental form. Using a salt form as in Betaine Nitrate is a different story, though I'd personally stick with 1/2 a serving of max pump for safety reasons
Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottleOf what safety reasons do you speak?
bwa haha. yeah. those numbers were crazyThe study on Garden Veggies is absolutely incorrect. Not only are their calculations wrong, but I tried the product and it yielded no results. A very, very poorly written segment.
you know, i actually have a bottle of maxx pump lying around. i honestly had no idea it was sporting 500mg nitrates per serving, so i never got around to it. i took the arginine nitrate by usplabs and nothing ever happened, so i guess i stereotyped. i will definately be trying that.i personnally would experiment with the double dose suggested on the bottle though. i worked with no2 back in the day, so i know when my blood pressure is getting alittle low (tiredness/neck starts to ache as body tries to reduce blood flow to the brain) and im totally confident things would never get out of hand with an no2 product.Beet root is actually very good taken pre workout. This is why we use Betaine in our Max Pump to bind to the nitrates.
2g of nitrates is a danger zone. Half of that is toatly safe.Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottle
It's more around 1g per serving but it is in fact an awesome product. Most people notice the effects st around day five or so.you know, i actually have a bottle of maxx pump lying around. i honestly had no idea it was sporting 500mg nitrates per serving, so i never got around to it. i took the arginine nitrate by usplabs and nothing ever happened, so i guess i stereotyped. i will definately be trying that.i personnally would experiment with the double dose suggested on the bottle though. i worked with no2 back in the day, so i know when my blood pressure is getting alittle low (tiredness/neck starts to ache as body tries to reduce blood flow to the brain) and im totally confident things would never get out of hand with an no2 product.
Would that then make it unsafe to consume 5oz. Spinach?For the sake of liability, I'd remove this post lol. 1 gram is certainly not totally safe...
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Does spinach contain nitrate salts with instant release kinetics?Would that then make it unsafe to consume 5oz. Spinach?
the simple truth is coop - your "warnings" seem a little biasedOk, I'm done. If a consumer PMs me, I will tell them what's best for their health, which is to take no more than 2 caps. If any "incident" occurs, at least ill have a clear conscience that I tried to warn them.Note that I actually like max pump and my dosing scheme makes the bottle twice as valuable. But alas, given the state of affairs in this industry, it won't matter either way
I've heard you warn people about nitrate toxicity plenty of times in no way referring to a product in particular. Thank you for bringing up these points. You have said the same thing to people stacking enhanced with other nitrate products so to say it is a biased response is completely untrue. Thanks for the info coop as always.Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottle
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