So i understand there are DMAA products out: jack3d, acg3, etc. and ephedrine/dmaa pills out there likeetc. I was always aggrivated and never really all that pumped from Jack 3d. I took acg3 with dmaa, and it was my favorite pre-workout ever. I literally did my whole routine in a couple hours. i noticed that was the new pre with a real kick, but it is now banned. What's the next product with real **** in it that works. I never had a problem with dmaa or ephedrine. I like ephedrine better actually. Any new goodies out there?