Pre-workout breakdown

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  1. Pre-workout breakdown


    So i understand there are DMAA products out: jack3d, acg3, etc. and ephedrine/dmaa pills out there like lipodrene etc. I was always aggrivated and never really all that pumped from Jack 3d. I took acg3 with dmaa, and it was my favorite pre-workout ever. I literally did my whole routine in a couple hours. i noticed that craze was the new pre with a real kick, but it is now banned. What's the next product with real **** in it that works. I never had a problem with dmaa or ephedrine. I like ephedrine better actually. Any new goodies out there?
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  2. any specifics on the chemistry will be good info
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  3. as far as i know, craze isnt banned. it was in a lawsuit for containing amohetamine, but it was dismissed. someone faq check my ass though because i didnt follow that too closely

    dmaa is banned however. and jack3d never gave you pumps because it was a stim product. the new jack3d micro turned into a pump product with agmatine and citruline malate both in it.

    if you still want dmaa, its still out there. you just have to look around and find it. its not underground or anything

    look into enhanced by oes. thats the new hype right now. its focus ehavy like craze, not pump or stim

    and whats "your whole routine in a couple hours?" your routine shouldnt even laast a couple hours normally unless youre some kind of athlete in training season or somethin

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  7. I absolutely hated jack3d so I thought I would also not like jack3d micro.. Boy was I wrong. The pumps, energy and focus are amazing. Totally worth a shot.

    Pes enhanced is also pretty amazing. I take 2 scoops and don't feel super stimmed but get great focus.

    Formutech volatile is also amazing.. Pumps and focus are unreal. Not much of a stim so great for later workouts.

    My top 3 I switch between

  8. what is amohetamine. what exactly was in in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    as far as i know, craze isnt banned. it was in a lawsuit for containing amohetamine, but it was dismissed. someone faq check my ass though because i didnt follow that too closely

    dmaa is banned however. and jack3d never gave you pumps because it was a stim product. the new jack3d micro turned into a pump product with agmatine and citruline malate both in it.

    if you still want dmaa, its still out there. you just have to look around and find it. its not underground or anything

    look into enhanced by oes. thats the new hype right now. its focus ehavy like craze, not pump or stim

    and whats "your whole routine in a couple hours?" your routine shouldnt even laast a couple hours normally unless youre some kind of athlete in training season or somethin
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    what is amohetamine. what exactly was in in it.
    theres already a thread in this section that goes into detail but it was something with an analog of amphetamines.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    what is amohetamine. what exactly was in in it.
    yea i ment amphetamine as in meth. theres a huge thread about it

  12. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post

    yea i ment amphetamine as in meth. theres a huge thread about it
    The compound in question is not meth, and is not close to meth. The supposed compound is a amph analog but no where close to meth.

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  14. So I guess the question is what are the stims in all the pre workouts and what do they Mimic? Which one is the strongest because I don't want to waste my money.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    any specifics on the chemistry will be good info


    Craze is not banned. I don't where you keep reading that bull**** but its not true.


    I personally have 4 tubs of Craze sitting on my shelf that just arrived last week. I've been using it for months. I take a couple weeks off every couple months to give myself a break, during that time I use Body Octane from MAN.


    People need to quit spreading misinformation. If morons knew about how many Craze fakes were in circulation and only god knows what is in those then maybe they wouldnt spew crap from their finger tips.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post

    Craze is not banned. I don't where you keep reading that bull**** but its not true.

    I personally have 4 tubs of Craze sitting on my shelf that just arrived last week. I've been using it for months. I take a couple weeks off every couple months to give myself a break, during that time I use Body Octane from MAN.

    People need to quit spreading misinformation. If morons knew about how many Craze fakes were in circulation and only god knows what is in those then maybe they wouldnt spew crap from their finger tips.
    I doubt craze fakes made into Australia, and Sweden just tested it picking up the same compound. Australia/Europe are way stricter, Its already been pulled in Australia by federal police. Go argue that.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I doubt craze fakes made into Australia, and Sweden just tested it picking up the same compound. Australia/Europe are way stricter, Its already been pulled in Australia by federal police. Go argue that.


    Yea ok


    Do you speak with the owner of DS? I do frequently. They already have caught a retailer buying both real craze AND fakes to lower his over head cost. They have already caught a manufacturer in Germany producing them, over 50,000 of them. Matt has no control over who retailers buy his product from once it hits the distributor. So they buy fakes, its not his fault.

    And how come the US, who in all the mighty testing glory, have no caught anything? Matt just producing "spiked" for foreigne countries? And buy into the "internet crap". The Craze fakes look exactly like the real tubs


    Ralph pls go.

  19. Oh and mind you, that retailer was in EUROPE that got caught buying both. Some strict laws eh?

  20. Enhanced and Craze, done and done. But check out these apples. Look at the ingredient profile and more importantly, check out how they're dosed. I'll be getting a tub in tomorrow and I'll throw up a mini-review.

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post
    Yea ok


    Do you speak with the owner of DS? I do frequently. They already have caught a retailer buying both real craze AND fakes to lower his over head cost. They have already caught a manufacturer in Germany producing them, over 50,000 of them. Matt has no control over who retailers buy his product from once it hits the distributor. So they buy fakes, its not his fault.

    And how come the US, who in all the mighty testing glory, have no caught anything? Matt just producing "spiked" for foreigne countries? And buy into the "internet crap". The Craze fakes look exactly like the real tubs


    Ralph pls go.

    He doesn't care about about what may or may not be in Craze, he's in it for the drama of it all.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Enhanced and Craze, done and done. But check out these apples. Look at the ingredient profile and more importantly, check out how they're dosed. I'll be getting a tub in tomorrow and I'll throw up a mini-review.

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    I must admit. I just saw that today and piqued my interest. Never heard of that "X" word ingredient though. Gonna need do to some research on it first.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    He doesn't care about about what may or may not be in Craze, he's in it for the drama of it all.


    Which is sad. That's why this industry is getting so scrutinized. I understand its a business. But maybe if people weren't looking for ways to screw each other over at every chance then maybe this industry wouldn't be so damn crooked.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post
    Which is sad. That's why this industry is getting so scrutinized. I understand its a business. But maybe if people weren't looking for ways to screw each other over at every chance then maybe this industry wouldn't be so damn crooked.
    It happens. You'll get a bunch of guys jump over from other boards just to ratchet up the drama. Yawn. Wake me up when something concrete happens.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    It happens. You'll get a bunch of guys jump over from other boards just to ratchet up the drama. Yawn. Wake me up when something concrete happens.


    I really don't think anything concrete is going to happen. Just like the lawsuit from the first issue (which had nothing to do with PA i believe for clarification). It was based on complete bull****.


    Its a shame really. DS makes an outstanding pre workout, with an exceptional ingredient panel, and you have those that while trying to mimic its effects are using analogs that are banned in countries. All the while putting in tubs that are extremely similar to Craze tubs, and calling it "Craze". Literally counterfeit Craze!
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