Pre-workout breakdown

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post
    I really don't think anything concrete is going to happen. Just like the lawsuit from the first issue (which had nothing to do with PA i believe for clarification). It was based on complete bull****.


    Its a shame really. DS makes an outstanding pre workout, with an exceptional ingredient panel, and you have those that while trying to mimic its effects are using analogs that are banned in countries. All the while putting in tubs that are extremely similar to Craze tubs.
    I agree with you. I've been using Craze since it first came to market, nothing else comes REMOTELY close in my opinion with the exception of Enhanced.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post

    Yea ok

    Do you speak with the owner of DS? I do frequently. They already have caught a retailer buying both real craze AND fakes to lower his over head cost. They have already caught a manufacturer in Germany producing them, over 50,000 of them. Matt has no control over who retailers buy his product from once it hits the distributor. So they buy fakes, its not his fault.

    And how come the US, who in all the mighty testing glory, have no caught anything? Matt just producing "spiked" for foreigne countries? And buy into the "internet crap". The Craze fakes look exactly like the real tubs

    Ralph pls go.
    So he says? Wow.

    Where are these companies? Links to legal action?

    Every bad unit is a fake, off course! Its not available here anymore. Its been pulled. Im sure the federal police tested more than one tub and one batch. We'll just pretend theyre a little smarter than you, is that ok?

    *edit*, why dont we hear stories of other companies products being fake? Only Craze is worth faking? Pft.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    So he says? Wow.

    Where are these companies? Links to legal action?

    Every bad unit is a fake, off course! Its not available here anymore. Its been pulled. Im sure the federal police tested more than one tub and one batch. We'll just pretend theyre a little smarter than you, is that ok?


    You really have no idea do you. You do realize that international law is a bit harder to enforce right? Esp when it comes to supplements? I mean they can order a cease and desist to sell letter but the what is out there is out there.

    We are located in the US and there are located in Europe, there are steps and procedures that must be taken. Its not a phone call and "all in well".

    And you and I both know that legal action is kept under wraps until the parties feel comfortable to release the findings as to not jeopardize the case, as in the case of the last lawsuit, I take it you were ALLLLLLL up in that thread weren't you? Funny, I don't ever remember seeing thread showing how the case was tossed when all the truth and testing came out showing it was complete and utter bull****.

    I will say this, I'm sure they are in procession of plenty of the fakes (sealed i'm sure) and its gonna be funny when it all comes out.


    You are really grasping for straws here and its making you look like a fool. All the while Craze is still being sold here in the US and continues to be sold without zero issue.


    And PLEASE show me where its not available in the US. As a matter of fact. I might just order some more today, not because I need it, but because you are a moron.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    So he says? Wow.

    Where are these companies? Links to legal action?

    Every bad unit is a fake, off course! Its not available here anymore. Its been pulled. Im sure the federal police tested more than one tub and one batch. We'll just pretend theyre a little smarter than you, is that ok?
    Serious question, do you even the use the product? Lol. You're jackin' it to PA's every word and granted he is very respected within his field, but he's also a competitor. You'll say that Cahill's (don't know the guy) past is questionable, but quite a few names involved in this thing also share questionable pasts (FYI- I'm not judging anyone).

    Why don't you wait until something concrete comes out here in the US, if and when that happens, then you can do the happy dance, because honestly if your idea of evidence is a youtube video, two tests undertaken in areas where counterfeits are prevalent...you couldn't win that case on Law & Order.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post
    You really have no idea do you. You do realize that international law is a bit harder to enforce right? Esp when it comes to supplements? I mean they can order a cease and desist to sell letter but the what is out there is out there.

    We are located in the US and there are located in Europe, there are steps and procedures that must be taken. Its not a phone call and "all in well".

    And you and I both know that legal action is kept under wraps until the parties feel comfortable to release the findings as to not jeopardize the case, as in the case of the last lawsuit, I take it you were ALLLLLLL up in that thread weren't you? Funny, I don't ever remember seeing thread showing how the case was tossed when all the truth and testing came out showing it was complete and utter bull****.

    I will say this, I'm sure they are in procession of plenty of the fakes (sealed i'm sure) and its gonna be funny when it all comes out.


    You are really grasping for straws here and its making you look like a fool. All the while Craze is still being sold here in the US and continues to be sold without zero issue.
    Don't waste your time man. He's not in it for any other reason than it provides him sort of excitement/entertainment, which is hilarious in and of itself.
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  6. Thumbs up


    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Don't waste your time man. He's not in it for any other reason than it provides him sort of excitement/entertainment, which is hilarious in and of itself.


    This is true.

  7. Im the one who put the new info on AM. Its been pulled in AUSTRALIA, who said the US? Do you read mate? Its banned, even Ebay sellers have had to remove it. Im sure in the next few months we'll see what happens.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Im the one who put the new info on AM. Its been pulled in AUSTRALIA, who said the US? Do you read mate? Its banned, even Ebay sellers have had to remove it. Im sure in the next few months we'll see what happens.
    Feel free to contact the TGA or Federal police in Australia. Theyll reply to you with why Its been pulled, the same letter/reply sent to all retailers in the country here.

    And I have no issue with Matt, Ive dealt with him many times & traded. He was very good! Im just repeating what GOVERNMENT agencies put out in this country recently.

    I have used original Craze, but not the new batches.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Im the one who put the new info on AM. Its been pulled in AUSTRALIA, who said the US? Do you read mate? Its banned, even Ebay sellers have had to remove it. Im sure in the next few months we'll see what happens.


    Yea well you Aussies can't get a lot of things. 1,3 DMAA being one of them.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Im the one who put the new info on AM. Its been pulled in AUSTRALIA, who said the US? Do you read mate? Its banned, even Ebay sellers have had to remove it. Im sure in the next few months we'll see what happens.
    Lol. You DIDN'T do anything. This ban dates all the way back to January and has been known about for some time . You just enjoy injecting yourself into the drama of it all. This isn't MTV's Road Rules Challenge.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Tmac29 View Post

    Yea well you Aussies can't get a lot of things. 1,3 DMAA being one of them.
    Lol. I think we got restrictions even on zinc(no more than 50mg per cap)? Theyre pretty bad ass here.

    I think the UK has topped us however! Ohwell.

  12. gtfo with that craze ****. There's enough threads on it already.

  13. Just trying to find the good **** without wasting money. No one evidently knows why the chemicals are cuz that's what I was asking. I know that 1,3 dimeth etc means a good pre workout to me. So what are some other goodies equivalent better etc ?
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  14. None are equivalent to 1,3. It is in its own little league. Ephedrine and Caffeine perhaps? There really isn't much else in terms of stims.

  15. Thanks Jiggs yea that's what I was lookin for.
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