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    GOOGLE IT! Australian federal police chemist tested it(claims), found compound not listed on label and related to meth! Wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    GOOGLE IT! Australian federal police chemist tested it, found compound not listed on label and related to meth! Wtf?
    Search Massivejoes youtube video, reads letter from TGA I believe.

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    the compound they read out is a synonym for amphetamine...

    They claimed the ingredient was "n-alpha-methylbenzeneethanamine"...

    CAS number 300-62-9 405-41-4
    ATC code N06BA01
    PubChem CID 3007
    DrugBank DB00182
    ChemSpider 13852819
    UNII CK833KGX7E
    KEGG D07445
    ChEBI CHEBI:2679
    ChEMBL CHEMBL405
    NIAID ChemDB 018564
    Synonyms alpha-methylbenzeneethanamine, alpha-methylphenethylamine, beta-phenyl-isopropylamine
    PDB ligand ID FRD (PDBe, RCSB PDB)
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    ^^^ thus, it makes absolutely no sense.

    if it contained amphetamine(s), it would have been showing up.

    this is not some analogue to amphetamine, but the real thing....i call strong bull****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    ^^^ thus, it makes absolutely no sense.

    if it contained amphetamine(s), it would have been showing up.

    this is not some analogue to amphetamine, but the real thing....i call strong bull****.
    Just relaying. Its been pulled! DS reps willing to chime in?
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    Lol, joke? Amphetamine is much better than Craze...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonntag View Post
    Lol, joke? Amphetamine is much better than Craze...
    Nope, serious. It wasnt even tested by the TGA. The federal police have pulled it all off, everything to be destoryed. I have no idea whats going on, but tubs are going for 140$ on ebay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Nope, serious. It wasnt even tested by the TGA. The federal police have pulled it all off, everything to be destoryed. I have no idea whats going on, but tubs are going for 140$ on ebay!

    That's unreal... i went through like 4 tubs when i was stocking it in my online store...

    Does that make me a drug addict?
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    Has there been an official release regarding its ban from those who banned it? It all just seems to be on forums with just specualtion. Could it be that perhaps its just a form of advertising? Or an april fools joke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    ^^^ thus, it makes absolutely no sense.

    if it contained amphetamine(s), it would have been showing up.

    this is not some analogue to amphetamine, but the real thing....i call strong bull****.
    Agreed. I took a urinalysis for work after taking craze and pissed clean.
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    Ive got a link saying the charges were dropped as it was retested and found nothing but can't post it because i haven't posted 150 times.

    My fault for taking a three year break from here
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    http: // drivensports. com/20130207377/Blog/baseless-lawsuit-against-crazer-dismissed

    http: // public-access. riverside. courts. ca. gov/OpenAccess/Civil/CivilCaseReport. asp?CourtCode=A&RivInd=RIV&Cas eType=RIC&CaseNumber=1203768

    Lawsuit on Craze containing amphetamine dropped in the US but is still banned in Australia not sure whether it will be listed because of this or not...
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    Its still here in NZ, and usually if something if something like this had been found, NZ would be quick to react but buying from NZ costs $75 ON SALE. Thank god for Nutraplanet.
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    Its been pulled off shelves in Australia! 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjAnthum View Post
    Ive got a link saying the charges were dropped as it was retested and found nothing but can't post it because i haven't posted 150 times.

    My fault for taking a three year break from here
    put a space in the link somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    ^^^ thus, it makes absolutely no sense.

    if it contained amphetamine(s), it would have been showing up.

    this is not some analogue to amphetamine, but the real thing....i call strong bull****.

    no, its an analog

    take the time to read carefully vaughn
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    the compound they read out is a synonym for amphetamine...They claimed the ingredient was "n-alpha-methylbenzeneethanamine"...
    No, the claimed it was n-alpha-DIETHYLlbenzeneethanamine
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjAnthum View Post
    Ive got a link saying the charges were dropped as it was retested and found nothing but can't post it because i haven't posted 150 times.

    My fault for taking a three year break from here

    that lawsuit has nothing to do with what this thread is about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    No, the claimed it was n-alpha-DIETHYLlbenzeneethanamine
    i must have mis-heard him then. My mistake.

    edit: i googled that exact term and didn't get a single hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    i must have mis-heard him then. My mistake.

    edit: i googled that exact term and didn't get a single hit.

    i will be blogging about the whole thing

    yeah google doesnt like the term but the term is there. for instance its here

    The decision of the Leagues Anti-Doping Tribunal to impose a two-year sporting ban on Sydney Shield rugby league player Troy Errington for the presence of prohibited substances has been acknowledged by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA).The substances 1-Phenylbutan-2-amine and N,alpha-diethyl-benzeneethanamine were detected in a sample ASADA collected in-competition from Mr Errington at a Sydney Shield match on 28 July 2012. The ban imposed on the Sydney Shield rugby league player by the Leagues Anti-Doping Tribunal was backdated to commence on the date of his provisional suspension. This means that Errington is ineligible to participate as an athlete or support person, in any sport that has adopted a World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) compliant anti-doping policy until 25 August 2014.Despite the fact that 1-Phenylbutan-2-amine and N,alpha-diethyl-benzeneethanamine are not specifically named on WADA’s 2012 Prohibited List, they have similar chemical and biological effects of amphetamines and therefore classed as Category 6b stimulants on the List and are prohibited in competition. Stimulants generally act directly on the central nervous system for speeding up parts of the brain and body besides reduce fatigue and increasing alertness in athletes.In another development, rugby league player Terry Bridge has received a four-year anti-doping suspension from UK Anti-Doping after he was found guilty of multiple anti-doping offenses having been sentenced to ten months in prison for the possession of steroids in November 2011. He is banned from participation in sport from 6 February 2012 until 5 February 2016.
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    very interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    very interesting
    Not being slanderous on bb. Just want people to be aware Vaughn. Iforce does things the right way and obviously other companies do not. Which is why the thread already got deleted on bb. Oh well. We will just let it unfold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Not being slanderous on bb. Just want people to be aware Vaughn. Iforce does things the right way and obviously other companies do not. Which is why the thread already got deleted on bb. Oh well. We will just let it unfold
    i was referring to your posts in the other thread here at AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    i was referring to your posts in the other thread here at AM.
    like i said... If I have been ingesting these types of chemicals without knowing... that's where my problem lies. If craze was completely legit and everything was on the label then cool. This has been going on too long and it's things like this that ruin the industry. I guess we will just let it continue to unfold.
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    Besides the one mythical youtube video, is there any other proof that it contains this analogue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Besides the one mythical youtube video, is there any other proof that it contains this analogue?
    Not sure. However, I believe a renowned chemist was able to find analogues based on certain batch numbers but this is all alleged of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Not sure. However, I believe a renowned chemist was able to find analogues based on certain batch numbers but this is all alleged of course.
    And where is that proof? Can you be so kind as to point me to it?
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    around here possibly... DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action
    along with many first hand accounts of the differences...not being "slanderous" of course all of these personal accounts must be in their head.

    actually pg 58 is better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    around here possibly... DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action
    along with many first hand accounts of the differences...not being "slanderous" of course all of these personal accounts must be in their head.

    actually pg 58 is better
    Thanks. But that's not exactly proof one way or the other. Craze may in fact contain this analogue, who knows, but so far here is all the evidence that has been unearthed...a youtube video, personal opinions about things feeling different (not exactly scientific, as I also have old tubs and newer tubs and can't tell/feel the difference). Is there anything out there (evidence) showing that this analogue is in the product?
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    Possibly what they found in Australia? I believe there has been a good amount of evidence suppression. As indicated by deleted threads and lawsuit threats. My own personal experience, 100+ pages of first hand accounts of users who notice a Drastic difference, (from people with no vested interest whatsoever, just fitness enthusiasts) The convenience of "counterfeits" and label changes, accompanies by the owner/formulators shady past has led me and others to come to the conclusion that there was a tainted product. I have a masters so I am all for evidence and research trust me. However, Oj got off.... But we all know the truth to each is own! This is too much of a headache for me lol. I just hateeee dishonest people, especially when it effects my own health. I'll just sit back as a spectator now
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Besides the one mythical youtube video, is there any other proof that it contains this analogue?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyZe_vYbN-M
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    An actual document from aussies would be helpful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
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    Documentation of any sort would be helpful. I'm not dismissing the charge one way or the other. I get that this product is and has been under suspicion/scrutiny for some time, frankly because it's head and shoulders above anything else out there (with the exception of Enhance). It's been tested, retested, gone through lawsuits (eventually dismissed) and yet still not one single mention of this analogue until a youtube video suddenly pops up. Besides this mythical youtube video, what other evidence is available?
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    So many legitimate questions being raised. Proof...I guess we'll have to wait on that one.
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    This is just my opinion as a consumer, someone who has purchased the product since its release, firstly, if there is in fact something illicit in the product, it should be banned immediately and those that profited from it should be punished appropriately. However, this thing has been an ongoing soap opera for months now. What some call "evidence" is basically suspicions, accusations and a handful of guys who love being embroiled in the drama of it all, so they post about this on every forum they can find. You have guys like R.Kramer who seemingly has it out for Cahill, also some others intent on beating this thing into the ground because well let's face it, it's the best preworkout to come along in years, it works, period.

    Now before someone jumps down my throat, I'm not defending DS, Cahill or anyone else, if the product is indeed spiked with this analogue then as I've stated before, they should face the appropriate sanctions/punishments. But how is this thing allowed to go on for months, when the product was tested multiple times (nothing found...suspicions still remained), lawsuits dismissed with zero evidence turned over suggesting that anything illicit was found in the product. And now we have the smoking gun... a youtube video. Crikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    This is just my opinion as a consumer, someone who has purchased the product since its release, firstly, if there is in fact something illicit in the product, it should be banned immediately and those that profited from it should be punished appropriately. However, this thing has been an ongoing soap opera for months now. What some call "evidence" is basically suspicions, accusations and a handful of guys who love being embroiled in the drama of it all, so they post about this on every forum they can find. You have guys like R.Kramer who seemingly has it out for Cahill, also some others intent on beating this thing into the ground because well let's face it, it's the best preworkout to come along in years, it works, period.

    Now before someone jumps down my throat, I'm not defening DS, Cahill or anyone else, if the product is indeed spiked with this analogue then as I've stated before, they should face the appropriate sanctions/punishments. But how is this thing allowed to go on for months, when the product was tested multiple times (nothing found...suspicions still remained), lawsuits dismissed with zero evidence turned over suggesting that anything illicit was found in the product. And now we have the smoking gun... a youtube video. Crikes.

    What then on the label do you honestly think is causing the effects people are getting?

    I dont think anyone that really knew what to look for has tested this product (at least who would talk about it) until the aussie feds. It is a lot harder than you think to decipher all this, and the fact that the culprit compound (may have) appeared to people to be something expected on the label makes it kinda easy to accidentally skip over

    When you really think about it, its not so implausible

    And do you really care one way or another if its true? You know you love the product either way. Do you feel injured? if not than why care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    What then on the label do you honestly think is causing the effects people are getting?

    I dont think anyone that really knew what to look for has tested this product (at least who would talk about it) until the aussie feds. It is a lot harder than you think to decipher all this, and the fact that the culprit compound (may have) appeared to people to be something expected on the label makes it kinda easy to accidentally skip over

    When you really think about it, its not so implausible

    And do you really care one way or another if its true? You know you love the product either way. Do you feel injured? if not than why care?
    I'm not a chemist or product formulator, I'll defer to more capable minds in that area. However, here is what I know, not one ounce of evidence has been presented yet to suggest that the product does in fact contain this analogue. Yes I know...a youtube video, case closed I guess.

    Yes I enjoy the product, however, note that if something illicit is found in the product then I believe DS should be held accountable and I'd no longer use the product. Fair approach no? All I'm saying is this, where is the evidence to suggest that it contains the analogue discussed here apart from the factual treasure trove of information known as the mythical youtube? If there is evidence, cool, present it and Craze is out of here. I'm okay with that, even as someone who highly enjoys using the product. My point remains the same, this story has already been spun for months...where's the smoking gun?
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    You could try emailing the TGA, CUSTOMS AND/OR FEDERAL POLICE. Its been pulled from shops nation wide. I think thats proof enough? We'll see if anymore information comes from retailers.
  

  
 

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