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    evening workout PWO's? help please.


    hey everyone. i'm looking for a good pwo that I can use after work. i work 13~ hour days, deployed too. i'm lucky on workout days if i can get in 6 1/2 hrs of sleep, maybe 7. i've been taking MP Assault, and i like it better than the no xplod they had at the BX but i can't sleep at all. literally lay there for hours, even after taking melatonin and ZMA. i sleep better after taking no xplode but i just dont care for it.

    read a bit about hemovol and white blood 2. i got on the pes deal and have enhanced i can have shipped to me(shipped to my house) but i hear enhanced is probably gonna be like assault.. all day energy btw, the reason iw ent with assault, is i tried a sample packet and LOVED it and it didnt keep me up. hit a two PRs on squat that day.

    anyway any reccomendations? thanks

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    So basically you are looking for a non-stim preworkout to take at night that wont interupt sleep?
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    yes sir, that something that wears off quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    yes sir, that something that wears off quickly.
    Hemavol is a popular choice.
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    Or make your own:
    Agmatine, citrulline malate, BCAA, LCLT or ALCAR, and if you want creatine, beta alanine (though these two can be taken anytime of the day)
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    Hemavol is a good option; depends what you are looking for in a pre-workout. Pumps? Focus? Increased energy and so on.

    Cit Mal, Agmatine, Focus XT are all good options. Products will vary depending on what you are after.
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    Check out cellucors bcaa's, it contains argentine so it gives stimulate effect but without caffeine or any other stim's.
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    formutech volatile is a low stim pre workout, you could use endurance and include agmatine, ae2, or any other bulk product
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    Stim free Focus XT is my go to when hitting the gym late in the day,have never had a problem getting to sleep shortly after using it.
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    damn, NP is outta focus XT. i've read some good things about hemavol + agmatine. i'm looking for focus and endurance mainly, but a good long lasting pump would be great. id love to try craze or enhanced, but i work on jets, i cant be tired the next day :/

    i'm bout to start a run in two weeks of dthc(4wks)dtp(4wks) erase(8wks) and versa(4wks for now) so i wanted to find a good pwo to compliment them.

    thanks guys really appreciate it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    damn, NP is outta focus XT. i've read some good things about hemavol + agmatine. i'm looking for focus and endurance mainly, but a good long lasting pump would be great. id love to try craze or enhanced, but i work on jets, i cant be tired the next day :/

    i'm bout to start a run in two weeks of dthc(4wks)dtp(4wks) erase(8wks) and versa(4wks for now) so i wanted to find a good pwo to compliment them.

    thanks guys really appreciate it
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    ah ok, will do. yep, active duty. making the most out of decent gym + lots of food i dont have to cook. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    ah ok, will do. yep, active duty. making the most out of decent gym + lots of food i dont have to cook. lol
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    PM sent, Mack. question.. anyone had trouble sleeping after taking nootropic type stuff? my main sleep issue is i cant shut my brain off. its constantly thinking about stuff.. ie different scenarios, situations, etc. my understanding of nootropic type sups is that is enhances brain function, ie focus, memory, concentration. could it be that part of assault that keeps me from sleeping? just too focused on my thoughts? or more likely the stim aspect of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    PM sent, Mack. question.. anyone had trouble sleeping after taking nootropic type stuff? my main sleep issue is i cant shut my brain off. its constantly thinking about stuff.. ie different scenarios, situations, etc. my understanding of nootropic type sups is that is enhances brain function, ie focus, memory, concentration. could it be that part of assault that keeps me from sleeping? just too focused on my thoughts? or more likely the stim aspect of it?
    I can say I do not have trouble sleeping after nootropic type products,as long as stims are not involved.I have taken Stim-free Focus XT many times late for a workout and slept fine just a few hours later.The stims in the assault are probably whats bothering you with sleep,I can not take stims past 5 hours up to bed personally or I cant sleep well.PM being replied to
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    cool, sounds good. hoping its just the stims, i really really like nootropic effects. too bad i jumped on the 60 serving tub. damn misleading sample pack. anyway thanks for the info Mack and everyone, much appreciated. if anyones got any comments still, definitely would like to hear your input
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    2 choices

    1. Stim Free F-XT

    2. Hemavol


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    1 scoop Hemavol + 1 scoop stim free FXT if needed .5 to 1 full pill of caffeine [200mg] usually will wear off by the time im down with my workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarce View Post
    1 scoop Hemavol + 1 scoop stim free FXT if needed .5 to 1 full pill of caffeine [200mg] usually will wear off by the time im down with my workout.
    Solid advice.. def a good stack! Caffeine does not stay with me long at all, either.

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    I would definitly look into POWERMAX. It fits perfectly for what your looking for. Currently there about i believe 11 logs being run on AM for powermax, 2-3 of which are people that train right before bed. They have been loving the fact they get nice clean energy buzz, insane pumps but they can still go to sleep afterwards.

    Heres a qoute from someone running a log for PowerMax right now, you can check out his full log in the Log Section

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    Hemavol FTW. That stuff gives crazy good pumps and tastes amazing. I only tried the lemon drop but I hear the watermelon flavor is pretty tasty too.
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    thanks again for the replies. i'll check out those logs on the powermax. seems like hemavol is the way to go. i'll see if i can score some focus xt too. and the caffeine idea is great. Adizzle, who will be stocking it? NP? got a linK? for what its worth, i took 3/4 scoop of assault yesterday and hit back/tri's hard and then hit cardio. 3 zma + 1 melatonin and i actually passed out and slept great. i took syntha6 post wo instead of combat powder too. only two things i changed was cardio and combat powder. i did take an extra long hot shower since we finally had hot water back. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by testomonsta View Post
    Hemavol FTW. That stuff gives crazy good pumps and tastes amazing. I only tried the lemon drop but I hear the watermelon flavor is pretty tasty too.
    They both kick ass imo, both get great reviews all the time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    They both kick ass imo, both get great reviews all the time!
    I am just getting ready to try compete for the first time with ofcourse my obligatory Alpha-Vol cocktail as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    I would definitly look into POWERMAX. It fits perfectly for what your looking for. Currently there about i believe 11 logs being run on AM for powermax, 2-3 of which are people that train right before bed. They have been loving the fact they get nice clean energy buzz, insane pumps but they can still go to sleep afterwards.

    Heres a qoute from someone running a log for PowerMax right now, you can check out his full log in the Log Section



    We also will send out 2 sample packs(4 scoops) so you can see if you like it before you buy it!

    Agreed with the fellas above. It's a very smooth kick of energy, not overwhelming for me atleast. It's difinitely worth a shot, 2 free samples off of Performaxlabs.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Veritas View Post

    Agreed with the fellas above. It's a very smooth kick of energy, not overwhelming for me atleast. It's difinitely worth a shot, 2 free samples off of Performaxlabs.com
    I train late sometimes , like 10pm, and I'm currently using powermax . Last week, I trained at 9:30pm and still fell asleep by 1, got home at 12. So can't go wrong with powermax. The glycine will take your hunger to a other level....
    Seriously I trained fasted with powermax and ran home to have 2 steaks, egg whites and spinach . It was a good day :].
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    Have you tried a sleep pill? Thats works for me... i sip on some nyquil or take two benadryl... works wonders for me.

    Not all the time though....
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    ill check powermax. might try and grab a sample. hemavol should be here soon! takes forever to ship to APO's :/

    i take ZMA and melatonin, which helps a lot. i found if i work in some supersets, it helps me sleep. also switched my eating up, not as much carb intake right before / right after helps too.
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    When I'm looking for a good preworkout at night and want to sleep I just make my own mix without any stims. Some creatine, some taurine if I'm working lower back, glutaimine, amino acids (plug FinaFlex Silk Amino Acids, lol), maybe some agmatine or another pump product (plug FinaFlex Max Pump, super awesome vasodilator), some beta alanine. 30 minutes to an hour prior and done. Youll get the pump, cell volumization, focus, and recovery you're looking for without staying up way too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    thanks again for the replies. i'll check out those logs on the powermax. seems like hemavol is the way to go. i'll see if i can score some focus xt too. and the caffeine idea is great. Adizzle, who will be stocking it? NP? got a linK? for what its worth, i took 3/4 scoop of assault yesterday and hit back/tri's hard and then hit cardio. 3 zma + 1 melatonin and i actually passed out and slept great. i took syntha6 post wo instead of combat powder too. only two things i changed was cardio and combat powder. i did take an extra long hot shower since we finally had hot water back. lol
    something to consider if you're having trouble sleeping at any point would be something like REM PM. And have to agree with all of the recommendations you've gotten as far as stim free pre's. Haven't tried powermax, but have used Hemavol, and definitely love it. One thing to look into next time, if you consider switching up for the sake of variety, would be Body Octane. 3.5 g citrulline malate, 1 g LCLT, and 1.6 grams beta alanine, and l-aspartic acid, which has been linked to fatigue resistance. Any of those options are all great though
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    Quote Originally Posted by allnatural923 View Post
    something to consider if you're having trouble sleeping at any point would be something like REM PM. And have to agree with all of the recommendations you've gotten as far as stim free pre's. Haven't tried powermax, but have used Hemavol, and definitely love it. One thing to look into next time, if you consider switching up for the sake of variety, would be Body Octane. 3.5 g citrulline malate, 1 g LCLT, and 1.6 grams beta alanine, and l-aspartic acid, which has been linked to fatigue resistance. Any of those options are all great though
    Agreed, Body octane, Hemavol, and bodyforge 2.0 are the best out there.
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    Amino energy is nice and not to strong
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87 View Post
    Amino energy is nice and not to strong
    Caffeine content too high
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Caffeine content too high
    Really? Its low dosed imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Agreed, Body octane, Hemavol, and bodyforge 2.0 are the best out there.
    Indeed! Magnum neutratical opus and MRM turbo driven are also great option
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    caffeine doesnt do much for me honestly. i normally can take a nap within an hour of drinking some coffee. my hemavol SHOULD be here today. taking forever did try some craze the other day, which was awesome but i didnt have to sleep shortly after. really wanna try the enhanced now. im hoping the hemavol stacks well with the DTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87 View Post

    Really? Its low dosed imo.
    Yeah but to get anything out of it you have to dose high, like 4-6 scoops which if I remember correctly is around 180 mg caffeine... Not great for a late PM early AM deal. Unless caffeine doesn't effect you much, then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin1 View Post
    Indeed! Magnum neutratical opus and MRM turbo driven are also great option
    Turbo looks great, though I wouldn't take it near bed due to stims and stimulating nootropics.Opus...yucky
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    I train late sometimes , like 10pm, and I'm currently using powermax . Last week, I trained at 9:30pm and still fell asleep by 1, got home at 12. So can't go wrong with powermax. The glycine will take your hunger to a other level....
    Seriously I trained fasted with powermax and ran home to have 2 steaks, egg whites and spinach . It was a good day :].
    That does sound like an epic day and more so an epic meal! haha

    I guess if it were me, dosing Powermax and/or working out anytime after 9pm would cause me to stay awake at night. I generally get an amplified feeling, endorphin rush after a solid workout + post workout meal. But everyone's different, hopefully you're able to get some restful sleep to maximize your recovery and progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssdx View Post
    caffeine doesnt do much for me honestly. i normally can take a nap within an hour of drinking some coffee. my hemavol SHOULD be here today. taking forever did try some craze the other day, which was awesome but i didnt have to sleep shortly after. really wanna try the enhanced now. im hoping the hemavol stacks well with the DTP.
    Good luck with the hemavol bro! Caffeine does the same for me, i can easily sleep with it!

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