WTH is in this stuff. OMG
Best workout in ages!
Holy mackeral
I wonder how quickly one attenuates this stuff (builds tolerance)
Best workout in ages!
Holy mackeral
I wonder how quickly one attenuates this stuff (builds tolerance)
They are all the same man. Lol.Yeah, anyone who is first trying Craze I wholeheartedly recommend buying the grape. Tastes like cough syrup, but will knock your socks off. Crazolade and Apple Pie or w/e, for whatever reason, taste better but do not deliver the same impact.
There is still speculation whether OG Grape and current Grape have different formulas. Obliviously DS piles on that nothing has changed. Either way, grape is still the only flavor of Craze that is worth buying IMO.
However... the question at this point is if PES Enhanced will take the throne.
Disagree, but all I can provide you on the subject is my opinion and ancedotal reports via google search.They are all the same man. Lol.
Crazes formula has changed no doubt about it, it doesn't give the same push as before however still my favorite focus supplement
There are people out there who would pay a lot of money for that tub lol.I bought the stuff right before the LONG thread on here that slams the product (FDA ingredient issues or something like that)
Never opened it so I have the original grape
haha No doubt. ALL MINEThere are people out there who would pay a lot of money for that tub lol.
Why?I flushed my craze down the toilet. The OG version that everyones' after.. **** was dirty.
No way the focus on craze is too good. 1 scoop craze and 1 scoop focus xt is life.I absolutely love grape craze. I've been buying it for almost a year... even though the effects have diminished I cant get off the binge... Hopefully I can take a tolerance break if Enhanced can pull me away for awhile
honestly bro - it made me sick. i just plain felt like shi.t after working out. it actually ruined my day - each time i tried it, which was a total of three times. seriously felt comparable to coming down from a meth binge. no thanks. i wanted to believe, i wanted to like it ..it had so much hype. anyways i let a friend try it. he was not a fan. so it sat around for quite some time and i just ended up pitching it.Why?
I liked the Enhanced focus better. I'm a Craze guy too.No way the focus on craze is too good. 1 scoop craze and 1 scoop focus xt is life.
Believe it or not, It will randomly do that for me too. My Ex actually said something about it... We would go work out together and on random occasions; the shower together after thing just wasn't happening.. She wanted me to stop using it.. And that would be how she became my exCraze is the best PWO i've ever used. Too bad it gave me limp dick. Sigh.
Due to the nature of PEA and friends, tolerance will actually build up very rapidlyWTH is in this stuff. OMG
Best workout in ages!
Holy mackeral
I wonder how quickly one attenuates this stuff (builds tolerance)
Other than N,N-DEPEA i highly doubt the other phenetylamines make it to the CNS to any significant degreeDue to the nature of PEA and friends, tolerance will actually build up very rapidly
honestly bro - it made me sick. i just plain felt like shi.t after working out. it actually ruined my day - each time i tried it, which was a total of three times. seriously felt comparable to coming down from a meth binge. no thanks. i wanted to believe, i wanted to like it ..it had so much hype. anyways i let a friend try it. he was not a fan. so it sat around for quite some time and i just ended up pitching it.
Due to the nature of PEA and friends, tolerance will actually build up very rapidly
Tolerance can build up peripherally tooOther than N,N-DEPEA i highly doubt the other phenetylamines make it to the CNS to any significant degree
Maybe if you read the label you would understand that 2 scoops is the maximum. Exceeding 2 scoops is/ can be dangerous man. Just because it isn't really stim heavy doesn't mean it can't hurt you.**** ****s me up! Makes me all weird an paranoid haha I cant focus in **** maybe 3 scoops is the problem haha
Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.Tolerance can build up peripherally too
So then...the stim effect of Craze is derived from what? Caffeine and NMT? Come on.Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.
So in other words your saying all the focus from craze is caffeine based .......Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.
No, im saying the stimulation comes from dendrobium alkaloids exerting hyperpolarization on inhibitory receptors. And perhaps N,N DEPEA depending on quantitySo then...the stim effect of Craze is derived from what? Caffeine and NMT? Come on.
But this isn't PEA solo. There are clearly other competitive inhibitors of MAO in the formula. Why do you feel that dendrobium alkaloids selectively hyperpolarize inhibitory neurons? Are you referring to the dendrobine studies on GABA?No, im saying the stimulation comes from dendrobium alkaloids exerting hyperpolarization on inhibitory receptors. And perhaps N,N DEPEA depending on quantity
I take it you have never consumed PEA solo because dosage less than 1-1,5g dont produce any effects in people, and dosages post that only last 15 minutes or so.
Yes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.Are you referring to the dendrobine studies on GABA?
OMG, too much science!Yes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.
What is this MAO-B inhibiting compound you speak of? NMT has been marketed as one but i have yet to find any proof regarding its potential. In papers stating its pressor activity compared to noradrenaline, only one mention has been made stating that its a substrate for MAO-B but not whether or not it is inhibitory. I take it that it gets metabolized to corresponding aldehyde.
I have had my share of screwing around with low amounts PEA and selegiline and craze does definitely not feel PEA-ish
And I've taken GABA antagonists/glutamatergic compounds and never felt anything like this. And I wasn't referring to NMT. Having modified substrates of PEA (the di-ethyl certainly matters as well), as well as whatever other PEA derivatives may be in dendrobium, can definitely slow down MAO metabolism over your basic b-PEAYes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.What is this MAO-B inhibiting compound you speak of? NMT has been marketed as one but i have yet to find any proof regarding its potential. In papers stating its pressor activity compared to noradrenaline, only one mention has been made stating that its a substrate for MAO-B but not whether or not it is inhibitory. I take it that it gets metabolized to corresponding aldehyde.I have had my share of screwing around with low amounts PEA and selegiline and craze does definitely not feel PEA-ish
Finish your tub and your tolerance for it will be so high the second tub is nothing more than a cup of coffee. I'm done with Craze, ready to try Enhance.I don't post on boards much but I had to agree with this post when I saw it. I use a pre-workout almost everyday in teh morning before my workout, then train others and then off to my full time desk job. PWO's are basically my catalyst to begin the day. I've used many different ones: whatevers on sale or looks interesting: Jack3d was a favorite for a while, Neurocore, Assault was too weak, Flash Over from Nutraplanet is good. Anyway I ran out and went to my local supplement shop before a workout Friday night and got Craze, it was on sale I hadn't tried it yet. I can take 4 scoops of Jack3d no problem but I thought I'd better be a little safe and do 1.5 scoops since 2 was the max recommended..fast forward 30 minutes later at the gym...
Holy fng Balls! I was running from exercise to exercise, dropping in supersets with everything just because they just seemed so fun at the time. Nodding my head, playing air drums, feeling like I was more bad ass than the biggest meathead in the whole place (and I'm 180 pounds lol). I did not want to leave the gym, but I had to and that's when it wasn't so fun anymore. Without anything to focus on when I got in my car, I just felt really anxious, kind of dissassociated and pretty much geeked out. That's when I was realized that this **** isn't even the same ballpark as any other preworkout in terms of overall effects. Oh yeah, and my pumps were insane too! Not sure what caused them, but dumbbell side bends gave me the tightest back pumps I've ever felt. I had to roll them out. So anyway, I did some breathing , told myself "don't be a bitch" and started to feel normal in an hour or two, went to sleep okay. Well, I now know that right now, 1/2 a scoop is all I need of this stuff and I'm good. Which is awesome because this 45 servings will last a long time if my tolerance doesn't suddenly skyrocket... Awesome stuff but I hope it's not like blowing out my neurotransmitters or anything to use it often..