DS's CRAZE. Holllly crapppp

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  1. btw whats the ingredient in craze that gives the nice stimulating effects?


  2. I hear ya. Im like that with a lot of supps.

    Thanks for the candid feedback

    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    honestly bro - it made me sick. i just plain felt like shi.t after working out. it actually ruined my day - each time i tried it, which was a total of three times. seriously felt comparable to coming down from a meth binge. no thanks. i wanted to believe, i wanted to like it ..it had so much hype. anyways i let a friend try it. he was not a fan. so it sat around for quite some time and i just ended up pitching it.
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  3. Ugg! Im saving it for chest and leg day only then

    Thanks foer the heads up Coop

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Due to the nature of PEA and friends, tolerance will actually build up very rapidly
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  4. I gotta admit, I don't know what is in Craze that makes it soo good for most people. I really don't see anything that stands out in the ingredient profile at all. Of course I know the only way to see how it would affect me is to buy some, which I will do shortly.

    Most pwo's don't really get me going much these days so I only hope Craze is as strong as it says it is. Been getting good results from Nano Vapor (surprisingly) so Craze will be the next pre I purchase. Craze is pretty expensive though!

  5. the Dendrobium is probably the new ingredient you're not use to which works w/ the other ingredients to provide that great feeling most people get.
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  6. cant you just switch it up between craze and good ol dmaa when tolerance starts to set in?

    i just come off craze for about 2 months when it stops working. but now im curious about switch hitting the two every month or so

  7. I used a tub of it and loved the effects. After that, it puts me to sleep now. I'll be fine until I take a dose of craze, then lights out.

  8. **** ****s me up! Makes me all weird an paranoid haha I cant focus in **** maybe 3 scoops is the problem haha

  9. Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Other than N,N-DEPEA i highly doubt the other phenetylamines make it to the CNS to any significant degree
    Tolerance can build up peripherally too

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dubfungus View Post
    **** ****s me up! Makes me all weird an paranoid haha I cant focus in **** maybe 3 scoops is the problem haha
    Maybe if you read the label you would understand that 2 scoops is the maximum. Exceeding 2 scoops is/ can be dangerous man. Just because it isn't really stim heavy doesn't mean it can't hurt you.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Tolerance can build up peripherally too
    Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.
    So then...the stim effect of Craze is derived from what? Caffeine and NMT? Come on.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post

    Yes but there is no reason to assume it reaches any neuron whether they be peripheral or central.
    So in other words your saying all the focus from craze is caffeine based .......

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    So then...the stim effect of Craze is derived from what? Caffeine and NMT? Come on.
    No, im saying the stimulation comes from dendrobium alkaloids exerting hyperpolarization on inhibitory receptors. And perhaps N,N DEPEA depending on quantity

    I take it you have never consumed PEA solo because dosage less than 1-1,5g dont produce any effects in people, and dosages post that only last 15 minutes or so.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    No, im saying the stimulation comes from dendrobium alkaloids exerting hyperpolarization on inhibitory receptors. And perhaps N,N DEPEA depending on quantity

    I take it you have never consumed PEA solo because dosage less than 1-1,5g dont produce any effects in people, and dosages post that only last 15 minutes or so.
    But this isn't PEA solo. There are clearly other competitive inhibitors of MAO in the formula. Why do you feel that dendrobium alkaloids selectively hyperpolarize inhibitory neurons? Are you referring to the dendrobine studies on GABA?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Are you referring to the dendrobine studies on GABA?
    Yes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.

    What is this MAO-B inhibiting compound you speak of? NMT has been marketed as one but i have yet to find any proof regarding its potential. In papers stating its pressor activity compared to noradrenaline, only one mention has been made stating that its a substrate for MAO-B but not whether or not it is inhibitory. I take it that it gets metabolized to corresponding aldehyde.

    I have had my share of screwing around with low amounts PEA and selegiline and craze does definitely not feel PEA-ish
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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Yes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.

    What is this MAO-B inhibiting compound you speak of? NMT has been marketed as one but i have yet to find any proof regarding its potential. In papers stating its pressor activity compared to noradrenaline, only one mention has been made stating that its a substrate for MAO-B but not whether or not it is inhibitory. I take it that it gets metabolized to corresponding aldehyde.

    I have had my share of screwing around with low amounts PEA and selegiline and craze does definitely not feel PEA-ish
    OMG, too much science!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Yes, there isnt really much to it other than a single paper that i could find. But it fills the logical gap. Usage of similar compounds, picrotoxin for instance, has been used for performance enhancing purposes aswell.What is this MAO-B inhibiting compound you speak of? NMT has been marketed as one but i have yet to find any proof regarding its potential. In papers stating its pressor activity compared to noradrenaline, only one mention has been made stating that its a substrate for MAO-B but not whether or not it is inhibitory. I take it that it gets metabolized to corresponding aldehyde.I have had my share of screwing around with low amounts PEA and selegiline and craze does definitely not feel PEA-ish
    And I've taken GABA antagonists/glutamatergic compounds and never felt anything like this. And I wasn't referring to NMT. Having modified substrates of PEA (the di-ethyl certainly matters as well), as well as whatever other PEA derivatives may be in dendrobium, can definitely slow down MAO metabolism over your basic b-PEA

  19. I don't post on boards much but I had to agree with this post when I saw it. I use a pre-workout almost everyday in teh morning before my workout, then train others and then off to my full time desk job. PWO's are basically my catalyst to begin the day. I've used many different ones: whatevers on sale or looks interesting: Jack3d was a favorite for a while, Neurocore, Assault was too weak, Flash Over from Nutraplanet is good. Anyway I ran out and went to my local supplement shop before a workout Friday night and got Craze, it was on sale I hadn't tried it yet. I can take 4 scoops of Jack3d no problem but I thought I'd better be a little safe and do 1.5 scoops since 2 was the max recommended..fast forward 30 minutes later at the gym...

    Holy fng Balls! I was running from exercise to exercise, dropping in supersets with everything just because they just seemed so fun at the time. Nodding my head, playing air drums, feeling like I was more bad ass than the biggest meathead in the whole place (and I'm 180 pounds lol). I did not want to leave the gym, but I had to and that's when it wasn't so fun anymore. Without anything to focus on when I got in my car, I just felt really anxious, kind of dissassociated and pretty much geeked out. That's when I was realized that this **** isn't even the same ballpark as any other preworkout in terms of overall effects. Oh yeah, and my pumps were insane too! Not sure what caused them, but dumbbell side bends gave me the tightest back pumps I've ever felt. I had to roll them out. So anyway, I did some breathing , told myself "don't be a bitch" and started to feel normal in an hour or two, went to sleep okay. Well, I now know that right now, 1/2 a scoop is all I need of this stuff and I'm good. Which is awesome because this 45 servings will last a long time if my tolerance doesn't suddenly skyrocket... Awesome stuff but I hope it's not like blowing out my neurotransmitters or anything to use it often..

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Facetoface View Post
    I don't post on boards much but I had to agree with this post when I saw it. I use a pre-workout almost everyday in teh morning before my workout, then train others and then off to my full time desk job. PWO's are basically my catalyst to begin the day. I've used many different ones: whatevers on sale or looks interesting: Jack3d was a favorite for a while, Neurocore, Assault was too weak, Flash Over from Nutraplanet is good. Anyway I ran out and went to my local supplement shop before a workout Friday night and got Craze, it was on sale I hadn't tried it yet. I can take 4 scoops of Jack3d no problem but I thought I'd better be a little safe and do 1.5 scoops since 2 was the max recommended..fast forward 30 minutes later at the gym...

    Holy fng Balls! I was running from exercise to exercise, dropping in supersets with everything just because they just seemed so fun at the time. Nodding my head, playing air drums, feeling like I was more bad ass than the biggest meathead in the whole place (and I'm 180 pounds lol). I did not want to leave the gym, but I had to and that's when it wasn't so fun anymore. Without anything to focus on when I got in my car, I just felt really anxious, kind of dissassociated and pretty much geeked out. That's when I was realized that this **** isn't even the same ballpark as any other preworkout in terms of overall effects. Oh yeah, and my pumps were insane too! Not sure what caused them, but dumbbell side bends gave me the tightest back pumps I've ever felt. I had to roll them out. So anyway, I did some breathing , told myself "don't be a bitch" and started to feel normal in an hour or two, went to sleep okay. Well, I now know that right now, 1/2 a scoop is all I need of this stuff and I'm good. Which is awesome because this 45 servings will last a long time if my tolerance doesn't suddenly skyrocket... Awesome stuff but I hope it's not like blowing out my neurotransmitters or anything to use it often..
    Finish your tub and your tolerance for it will be so high the second tub is nothing more than a cup of coffee. I'm done with Craze, ready to try Enhance.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post

    Finish your tub and your tolerance for it will be so high the second tub is nothing more than a cup of coffee. I'm done with Craze, ready to try Enhance.
    I never had a tolerance for craze eh guess everyone's different .

  22. Enhanced puts Craze to shame

  23. I like craze for the focus without the elevated heart rate. I've been using craze from it's beginning, & now use it twice a week with great results. I've tried many of the other newer pwo's that promised great things & always come back to craze. Nothing has come close to it for me. I'm interested in enhanced, but don't need anything that will raise my heart rate more than where lifting gets it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rhino67jg View Post
    I like craze for the focus without the elevated heart rate. I've been using craze from it's beginning, & now use it twice a week with great results. I've tried many of the other newer pwo's that promised great things & always come back to craze. Nothing has come close to it for me. I'm interested in enhanced, but don't need anything that will raise my heart rate more than where lifting gets it.
    Enhanced didn't elevate my heart rate, but the focus and energy lasts all day. When I say all day, I'm talking early morning until late at night.

  25. So you have used craze? Does enhanced have that overall feel good feeling? I've tried alphamine & didn't really care for it. It has crazy clear energy, but didn't have a feeling of well being. Does enhanced have that wonderful feeling?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by rhino67jg View Post
    So you have used craze? Does enhanced have that overall feel good feeling? I've tried alphamine & didn't really care for it. It has crazy clear energy, but didn't have a feeling of well being. Does enhanced have that wonderful feeling?
    No. Much different IMO. Nothing like craze.
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  27. Thank you for clearing that up for me. Think I'll stick to what works for me.

  28. Coming from a fellow craze junkie... I do like enhanced.. ALOT.

    Off topic, today I mixed up a new pre-workout cocktail that I loved: 1 scoop Hemavol + 0.75~0.9 scoop of Mr.Hyde = Awesome pumps + high stim feeling (IMO perfect). Liked the combining value of the agmatine and citrulline from both, as well as the stims from hyde. Hemavol brought some great focus as well. Definitely something I will remedy up again.

  29. Sounds interesting. I use hemavol after craze, then sip on compete during my workout. Awesome threesome.

  30. I'm not really into the "feel good" feeling with craze, I'd rather just have the intense focus/energy. I've used two bottles of Craze, and Enhanced just gives me a better workout. I do like Hemavol though, I get a lot of strength/stamina out of it.
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