Jack3d, is it worth the risk?

[honkeykong]

With the recent bad press, is this pre workout mix really worth it? Or are there better pre workout powders?

[rhino67jg]

Craze from driven sports is awesome. Never had any issues with it. Although, every one has their own favorite..

[MonteCedillo]

I personally have used jack3d over the years off and on and have not had any issues dosing it around 1&1/2 scoops pre workout. I think the where people can get into trouble is they try to use this product which was designed for weight training in other venues such as marathon running, high intensity training,... things that put sustained stress on the heart for longer durations than weight training. Lately i've switched to the Jack3d Micro formula and have found that while the stimulation effect is much different (and perhaps lighter), my performance is actually better. If you are still concerned about health issues with Jack3d, I'd encourage you to try out Jack3d Micro.

[JD261985]

With the recent bad press, is this pre workout mix really worth it? Or are there better pre workout powders?

Yea I just got Jack3d micro. Its not as strong as original but its still good. I used original Jack3d continuously for quite some time with no problems but I only did one scoop

[Distilled Water]

With the recent bad press, is this pre workout mix really worth it? Or are there better pre workout powders?

What are you looking for in your pre-workout?

[honkeykong]

I'm looking for something to give me that extra boost in the gym. Something to give me that extra energy.

[Russianog]

Honestly there are a lot of great PWO's here that work fantastic at just that. I was a avid and heavy Jack3d user, C4 works similarly. Currently I switched to PNI Prodigy and love it far more than i've ever liked Jack3d or C4.

[Spaniard]

What are you looking for in your pre-workout?

From the sounds of it, something that won't kill him lol

- Valdez

[hvactech]

call me biast but formutech's volatile is awesome. the pumps, taste, and extreme focus provide some killer workouts. feel free to ask any questions

[Spaniard]

call me biast but formutech's volatile is awesome. the pumps, taste, and extreme focus provide some killer workouts. feel free to ask any questions

What's up biased? How have you been man?

- Valdez

[hvactech]

What's up biased? How have you been man?

- Valdez

oh, you know....

[AlexErdellan]

Personally I was never a fan of Jack3d. Back in my mainstream preworkout days, I liked MP Assault and Infinite Labs Juggernaut way better. They are still good, but the best one out right now is Prodigy and PES Enhanced will be good too.

[snagencyV2.0]

call me biast

i have other names in mind to call you..



OP - jack3d has been around for a good while, undergoing several small cosmetic changes along the way
this all boils down to DMAA, and individual metabolism, and individual misuse for these ppl who have had adverse reactions

realistically tho: how many hundreds of thousands of ppl (even millions) do you think have used jack3d and other DMAA-containing products, and were just fine? the minute % of deaths from this - for whatever reason (mostly operator error imo) - are less (far less) than the % of deaths of ppl traveling on the road

medical error is the cause of thousands of deaths each yr, but you don't hear about this..

so, unless you want to start the same kind of thread regarding "is it worth it to drive?" or "is it worth it to seek medical guidance?", i think you should consider the context we are speaking in here

whatever your decision, best to you

PS - allow me to do my job, however, and say:
i prefer Ignite2 for my preWO supplementation

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/r....html?sel=4528

[TurnKey]

I personally have used jack3d over the years off and on and have not had any issues dosing it around 1&1/2 scoops pre workout. I think the where people can get into trouble is they try to use this product which was designed for weight training in other venues such as marathon running, high intensity training,... things that put sustained stress on the heart for longer durations than weight training. Lately i've switched to the Jack3d Micro formula and have found that while the stimulation effect is much different (and perhaps lighter), my performance is actually better. If you are still concerned about health issues with Jack3d, I'd encourage you to try out Jack3d Micro.

Do you feel a 40 minute VO2 max workout (Kettlebell snatches) falls into this category?

[Spaniard]

realistically tho: how many hundreds of thousands of ppl (even millions) do you think have used jack3d and other DMAA-containing products, and were just fine? the minute % of deaths from this - for whatever reason (mostly operator error imo) - are less (far less) than the % of deaths of ppl traveling on the road

medical error is the cause of thousands of deaths each yr, but you don't hear about this..

so, unless you want to start the same kind of thread regarding "is it worth it to drive?" or "is it worth it to seek medical guidance?", i think you should consider the context we are speaking in here.

I see your point but to play devils advocate here, driving and medical advice can hardly be considered analogous to using a pre workout. Like I said, I understand what you're saying but medical interventions and driving are necessities for most, where a preworkout can be chosen accordingly.

Would I choose a preworkout that has a history of deaths occurring with use, or something that has never been linked to fatalities? Me personally, I'd opt for something that hasn't been involved in the deaths of the users. I operate on risk vs reward and death is a pretty big risk to take for a preworkout supplement; when I can easily opt for an alternative product.

That's just me.

- Valdez

[snagencyV2.0]

I see your point but to play devils advocate here, driving and medical advice can hardly be considered analogous to using a pre workout. Like I said, I understand what you're saying but medical interventions and driving are necessities for most, where a preworkout can be chosen accordingly.

Would I choose a preworkout that has a history of deaths occurring with use, or something that has never been linked to fatalities? Me personally, I'd opt for something that hasn't been involved in the deaths of the users. I operate on risk vs reward and death is a pretty big risk to take for a preworkout supplement; when I can easily opt for an alternative product.

That's just me.

- Valdez

surely i understand your point
okay then, let's ponder: if you could still get hold of ephedra, for the (anecdotally speaking) all-time BEST fat-loss combo ECA -- would you?

[fightbackhxc]

With the recent bad press, is this pre workout mix really worth it? Or are there better pre workout powders?

It's a very popular preworkout. What do you look for in a preworkout?

[Spaniard]

surely i understand your point
okay then, let's ponder: if you could still get hold of ephedra, for the (anecdotally speaking) all-time BEST fat-loss combo ECA -- would you?

Tbh I've never even dabbled I like to err on the side of caution. Am I being overly cautious? More than likely but its worked thus far lol. Plus, I've never had to use a "fat burner". I've always had the trouble of gaining and keeping, let alone trying to burn. Sure I've used supplements that potentiate fat loss but never something with the primary MOA of fat loss.

- Valdez

[snagencyV2.0]

Tbh I've never even dabbled I like to err on the side of caution. Am I being overly cautious? More than likely but its worked thus far lol. Plus, I've never had to use a "fat burner". I've always had the trouble of gaining and keeping, let alone trying to burn. Sure I've used supplements that potentiate fat loss but never something with the primary MOA of fat loss.

- Valdez

i see
well the point of that exercise, was to infer that ephedra was banned not because of adverse effect on many..rather, the toxic effect on a few who misused the product grossly - classic operator error
there are MANY ppl today, who would jump at the chance to get their hands on that stuff again - knowing full well that instances of fatality had occurred in past (was trying to trick you into that stance in fact lol)

i will liken the jack3d fatalities, to this same set of circumstances

am i fan of jack3d? nope - haven't used in yrs
but does not mean however, that it is "the devil" of preWO supps by any means at all

context, is the essence of understanding these things

[02sixxer]

Jack3d is an ultra concentrate it hs a good amount of stims. But if your looking for that burst of energy it has it.

As for pumps I prefer Volatile Pre workout. It gives insaine pumps and decent energy. Good focus.