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    SAM-E or 5-htp for moderate depression?


    Anyone into this stuff?

    I`m looking to avoid another SSRI stint.

    I feel I`m falling in deeper,so I want to prevent it from escalating.

    I used St.John`Worth before,and it does relieve depression,but caused me a lot of panic so I wouldn`t use it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Anyone into this stuff?

    I`m looking to avoid another SSRI stint.

    I feel I`m falling in deeper,so I want to prevent it from escalating.

    I used St.John`Worth before,and it does relieve depression,but caused me a lot of panic so I wouldn`t use it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    What the source of your depression? Vitamin d and fishoils
    I don`t know?

    Chronic on/off depression whole life.....Family issues,natural tendency,low test.

    Am already on vit D and fish oil(1 softgel daily only(360EPA/280DHA).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Anyone into this stuff?

    I`m looking to avoid another SSRI stint.

    I feel I`m falling in deeper,so I want to prevent it from escalating.

    I used St.John`Worth before,and it does relieve depression,but caused me a lot of panic so I wouldn`t use it again.
    For very moderate it may help, I'm sure you know not to mix those with an SSRI. You may consider combining these with a great little product called Sunny Mood by Irwin Naturals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballesteri View Post
    For very moderate it may help, of course I'm sure you know you don't want to mix those with an SSRI. You may consider combining these with a great little product called Sunny Mood by Irwin Naturals.
    Hmmm

    Very interesting blend indeed!

    Looks like it has antidepressant/antianxiety/aphrodisiac ingredients.

    Found it now at my supplier-will probably add it to my order-not too expensive either.

    How did it work for you?

    So you`re thinking I should get both 5-htp and SAM-e(this one is a little pricy though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Hmmm

    Very interesting blend indeed!

    Looks like it has antidepressant/antianxiety/aphrodisiac ingredients.

    Found it now at my supplier-will probably add it to my order-not too expensive either.

    How did it work for you?

    So you`re thinking I should get both 5-htp and SAM-e(this one is a little pricy though)
    I don't see any reason at all not to combine them. I have not taken it nor do I work for Irwin Naturals but I am, well I do not want to say exactly what is I do, but I can assure you the company is solid. I have tried many Tboosters and their Testosterone UP formula all things considered works best for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballesteri View Post
    I don't see any reason at all not to combine them. I have not taken it nor do I work for Irwin Naturals but I am , well I do not want to say exactly what is I do, but I can assure you the company is solid. In fact I think I have tried just about every Tbooster on the planet and their Testosterone UP formula all things considered works the best for me...
    Haha

    And there`s a reason for that.

    I see they`ve included LJ100™-the most powerful free test elevator in the world.

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    Rhodiola and l-theanine


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    I like Sam-e gotta get it in a blister pack tho not pills or powder
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    burpees is on...

    Look to try rhodiola, st johns wart and l-theanine

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    I like a high dose of theanine at 600-800mg

    Suntheanine to be exact and 500mg 3% 1% rhodiola try up to 1 gram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    L-dopa helps me...
    SNS Inhibit P is a great mood lifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by burpees View Post

    SNS Inhibit P is a great mood lifter
    For me it helps a lot, also with libido
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    Ashwaghanda is pretty decent I take it all the time. What St. Johns have you tried? The perika kind always worked best for me. Probably going to take a handful of supps to get any relief and even then don't expect miracles. Really takes a change in your patterns of thought to truly overcome it.
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    I second St Johns Wort as it seems to have some backing behind it.
    Have you been tested for thyriod etc. blood tests???
    Stay in touch with your doctors and or therapists. We don't always recognize signs getting worse.
    A few years back I slipped pretty far and it was quite hard getting back. I felt it was almost brain chemical or lack thereof almost beginning to compound.
    Be careful with that stuff, and get checked and talk to professionals regularly.
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    5-htp and l-tryptophan are great for mood
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    I've never thought of it in this capacity, but our LiGHts Out has both 5-HTP and L-Dopa in one product.

    I'll look into it further, and get back with you - bulks are probably cheaper, although Nutra did have it for $16.87 not long ago.
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    Try somatomax from hi-tech pharmaceuticals.... It increases dopamine levels and puts you to sleep! You will feel AMAZING On it. I take it for the same reasons. I'm deployed right now and it helps with a lot of stress! Try it. You won't e disappointed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Hmm SAM-e(this one is a little pricy though)
    You could try substituting TMG for SAM-e
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    I use 5htp religiously to keep my chronic depression away. Stack looks a little like this..

    100 mg 5htp
    50mg p5p
    400 micrograms of methylfolate
    5,000-15,000 micrograms of methylcobalamin

    I take all of these in the morning, including the 5htp, on an empty stomach. After my morning meal, I take 200 mg ubiquinol, 10 mg PQQ, 2 grams of fish oil, and occasionally a multi.

    Most of the herbs listed here are better for an anxiety component but I could never get stable results for depression either due to not being able to find the right dose, or my brain chemistry simply adapting somehow.
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    Bioman....

    Do you take a anti depressant? Or do you just take the items you listed?

    I have bad seasonal depression. Certin times of year for some reason hit me like a brick.

    Do you have any other self help things you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post
    Bioman....

    Do you take a anti depressant? Or do you just take the items you listed?

    I have bad seasonal depression. Certin times of year for some reason hit me like a brick.

    Do you have any other self help things you do?
    I mainly just take the items listed. I'm fearful of prescription anti-depressants and most of the time feel as though my symptoms don't justify the "big guns".

    A light box or even just sitting in front of a full spectrum light bulb first thing in the morning might also help.
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    I hope you are not taking both, because they counteract each other. Dopamine is down-regulated by Serotonin. Serotonin regulates into Melatonin. If you are depressed take something that increases Serotonin. Dopamine will not decrease depression based on low serotonin.

    Use 5-HTP without Sam-E and be careful with your Vitamin B-6 levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post

    I have bad seasonal depression. Certin times of year for some reason hit me like a brick.

    Do you have any other self help things you do?
    When you say seasonal, is it more winter, as in less sunlight perhaps?
    Have you had any recent blood tests, ie: thyriod etc.?
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    Getting them done soon. I am in the process of switching doctors. I want to know whats really going on. Insted of here take these pills if they dont work call me.
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    Joestyles...... if I quit the anti depressants what would you suggest? Also what two should we not be taking together?
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    The sun light helps so much. I try to tan but not to often. Since there is a cancer issue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post
    Joestyles...... if I quit the anti depressants what would you suggest? Also what two should we not be taking together?
    SSRI's are dangerous things. Far more dangerous than steroids IMO. You can not just quit cold turkey on them and expect your brain chemistry to balance out appropriately. With anything involving prescribed medication you should express your wanting to reduce or get off the prescription with the appropriate physician and then proceed with his/her advice. They should have a tapering dosage for you, but expect your mood to fluctuate a bit while going through this. You will be happier off of them though, because SSRI's do not get rid of depression, they merely level out the swings of emotion.

    You should not take Sam-E/B-6 and 5HTP together. You need to space out their dosages in order for them to function properly. Say the 5-HTP at night before dinner and the SAM-E/B-6 before breakfast. They are opposing systems in the brain, and taking them together really does nothing for you honestly.
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    Yes I know about the tapering of dose when you come off. And I agree. That is why I want to get off of them. And find out what the real issue is. It could be many things. This is why I decided to go ahead with a new doctor and blood work.
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    Thanks for the natural advice. Do you think they will help me get off of the ssri's
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    Yes I do think 5-HTP and the Sam-E would help you, but only if your diet is in order.

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post
    Yes I know about the tapering of dose when you come off. And I agree. That is why I want to get off of them. And find out what the real issue is. It could be many things. This is why I decided to go ahead with a new doctor and blood work.
    The SSRI could be the problem itself. My advice get off of them, no one really knows the full extent of the dangers of them, and the risk reward ratio is not strong enough IMO to be worth using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post
    The sun light helps so much. I try to tan but not to often. Since there is a cancer issue with that.
    Agreed. You just have to be in brighter light or get some to the pineal gland (in the head) to help release natural melatonin etc.
    You only need to get 10-15 minutes on some parts of the skin also, to get some good natural vit D.
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    What type of diet is best for rhe 5 htp and sam-e
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeStyles View Post
    SSRI's are dangerous things. Far more dangerous than steroids IMO.



    They are perfectly ok.

    I have been on prescribed SSRIs for 7,8 times in the last 8 years.

    THEY HAVE HELPED ME VERY MUCH!

    I have never had any side effects or problems,except for some skin itching the last time on Lexapro.

    I haven`t ever had any sexual dysfunction on them or any similar bull**** lie that keeps getting passed around about SSRIs.

    In fact,my libido was normal and slightly better.



    p.s. you sir are very very very much a complete idiot.
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    I think its great that they work for you. But for me. I hsve had many side effects from them. Headaches, weight gain, and not the good kind of weightgain. To stomach issues. So they are not sunshine for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedfords View Post
    The sun light helps so much. I try to tan but not to often. Since there is a cancer issue with that.
    Seems like your what u call it when your fearful of getting sick ??

    Your caution about getting to much sun light is a issue man,
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    Sam-e works good for mild depression
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    No lol... I am not scared of getting sick. I just live up north where we only get 80 days of sun on average a year. I just wish there was a natural way to get more sun in the winter. I still tan but not everyday.
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