My DAA bloodwork....

[bdcc]

Just T.

The thing is,I haven`t read anyone yet reporting higher T from DAA.

All I read is that people had it lower or the same.

And the response they got usually was "You could be non-responder.Not everyone in the research group had elevated test"

Look harder.

I am not necessarily sticking up for DAA. There is positive bloodwork, negative bloodwork, neutral bloodwork. It isn't hard to find though, I searched it and the first link that came up took me to sets of bloods. Some had T increases, some had higher E increases.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3410233&page=1
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...2770371&page=1

[burpees]

Are you taking any supplements or mess for hashimoto?

[mr.cooper69]

p.s. it`s not like I have mid-to-high T so I don`t get affected.

I have low T(280-320 ng/dl) and my testosterone should obviously been affected,if those were not a bunch of lies.

Actually, people with low T are unresponsive to most testosterone boosters out there unless they specifically address the biochemical cause of low T in that individual.

I would actually expect better results in someone with normal T.

[mr.cooper69]

Just T.

The thing is,I haven`t read anyone yet reporting higher T from DAA.

All I read is that people had it lower or the same.

And the response they got usually was "You could be non-responder.Not everyone in the research group had elevated test"

2 human trials is the best evidence you can hope for. The relevance of a small handful of bloodwork (of which many have been really positive on BB.com btw) is nil

[Killler]

Actually, people with low T are unresponsive to most testosterone boosters out there unless they specifically address the biochemical cause of low T in that individual.

I would actually expect better results in someone with normal T.

I heard it the other way around,that if you have normal levels,you don`t get a boost,and if you are suppressed,it helps bounce you back.

Although,I am not suppressed by steroids or anything,so that wouldn`t apply to me.


Maybe I should get bloods for Hashimoto then.

[mr.cooper69]

I heard it the other way around,that if you have normal levels,you don`t get a boost,and if you are suppressed,it helps bounce you back.

Although,I am not suppressed by steroids or anything,so that wouldn`t apply to me.

Whoever told you that is wrong. Testosterone production is a tightly regulated, multistep pathway. If one of your "steps" (say, StAR) is "broken," you won't produce enough testosterone, and taking a testosterone booster that boosts, say, LH, won't fix that issue.

[Killler]

2 human trials is the best evidence you can hope for. The relevance of a small handful of bloodwork (of which many have been really positive on BB.com btw) is nil

Those human trials don`t mean much to me unfortunately....

There are 3 of those vitamin D Austrian clinical trials,that show an increase in test from 2500 IU per day,and so I tried that too,and there results were none(5000 IU every day for 2 months)/

[Killler]

Whoever told you that is wrong. Testosterone production is a tightly regulated, multistep pathway. If one of your "steps" (say, StAR) is "broken," you won't produce enough testosterone, and taking a testosterone booster that boosts, say, LH, won't fix that issue.

Mr.Coop,what other "steps" could be broken?

I have normal LH and normal balls.

What else could it be,if you know,in Hashimoto`s for example,that would cause this?

Mind you,I had tested FT3 and it was normal,but my TSH was elevated.

I haven`t been able to find an explanation anywhere for the link beetwen Hashimoto`s and testosterone.

[bean5er]

I also took DAA for over a month and zero increase in test. (250 was my number). I've been in the Low 300s for at least 5 years. I'm now on HCG and feel like a new man (been a month). Getting bloods on the 28th.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[Killler]

I also took DAA for over a month and zero increase in test. (250 was my number). I've been in the Low 300s for at least 5 years. I'm now on HCG and feel like a new man (been a month). Getting bloods on the 28th.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

Good luck man!

I don`t believe HCG is for me,since I have normal LH.

I believe I am getting depressed and will soon be on SSRIs(which is not such a big deal for me)

I only wish the doc gave me some TRT,I would be fine now.

[Killler]

btw can anybody shed some light as to why I am getting a libido boost from DAA if my testosterone is not affected?

[Killler]

Are you taking any supplements or mess for hashimoto?

Not yet,haven`t tested the antibodies still.

[bean5er]

Good luck man!

I don`t believe HCG is for me,since I have normal LH.

I believe I am getting depressed and will soon be on SSRIs(which is not such a big deal for me)

I only wish the doc gave me some TRT,I would be fine now.

Thanks ill be on TRT as soon as we are done having kids. It took a fertility doc to actually do something. My lovely GP said its just a part of aging.

Now that I think of it I had a noticeable libido increase while on DAA which is why I was shocked at where my levels were at.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[rhgunner]

You have some big-#ss arms for low-t.

[Killler]

You have some big-#ss arms for low-t.

Haha!!!!!! Thanks a lot man,I appreciate it!

Despite having low total and free T all my life,I have managed to build good mass over time,especially arms.

It took a lot of heavy lifting though.

Thank god for that!

[scoooter]

Whoever told you that is wrong. Testosterone production is a tightly regulated, multistep pathway. If one of your "steps" (say, StAR) is "broken," you won't produce enough testosterone, and taking a testosterone booster that boosts, say, LH, won't fix that issue.

Perhaps there is a flowchart diagram you know of to help explain these "steps" ? I'd like to build a new set of stairs and want to make sure it's done right !

[mr.cooper69]

Perhaps there is a flowchart diagram you know of to help explain these "steps" ? I'd like to build a new set of stairs and want to make sure it's done right !

Lol. A web would be more appropriate in reality. XX Gene, XX sun exposure, XX stress/cortisol, XX amt of enzymes, etc

[marksullivan]

New here, but will chime in. I'm a 46 and weigh 240lb and 6'2". Last year my test was 225 (blood work). Dr. placed me on Androgel 10 g and 2 months later test was 290. A month ago I went off Androgel and will get baseline bloodwork done tomorrow. I'm getting total and free test done as well as Estrogen and the things that come with that. I will post Test results later in the week when I get them.

Reason I went off TRT is I didn't want to do that for the next 25 or so years and thought (with Dr's recomendation) try supplements and excersise. I have been rather lax on fitness past few years probably because of Low T. Supplements may be along the line of DAA, DHEA, Zinc, D3. Maybe pro erase (if estrogen is high), Unleash, HCGenerate.

Looking for advise on gaining energy, libedo, strength, lose belly fat, etc. Whichever avenue I take I will get bloodwork again in a few months to track results.

Any suggestions?

[Yock]

I've been taking 5 DAA tablets a day, purchased from "Bulk", for a week. I tend to be somewhat a skeptic but I have to say that my balls have become larger, my mood a bit more aggressive, and can't wait to get in the gym, AND I feel really good...lots of energy. So far I like it! I'm a bit worried about something I read about estrogen increase. I hope that is BS.

[EatMoar]

I've been taking 5 DAA tablets a day, purchased from "Bulk", for a week. I tend to be somewhat a skeptic but I have to say that my balls have become larger, my mood a bit more aggressive, and can't wait to get in the gym, AND I feel really good...lots of energy. So far I like it! I'm a bit worried about something I read about estrogen increase. I hope that is BS.

It's not bs when testosterone increases so does estrogen due to te body wanting to be in equilibrium. However since daa has only shown a 43%~ increase in testosterone the estrogen, prolactin and cortisol levels aren't highly affected .