PWO supp companies, PLEASE stop with the caffeine!

[zv3]

I have purchased almost every popular PWO supp under the sun and I can't adjust the dosages I need because of the caffeine content! I am a larger-size guy (240lbs -250lbs) and need more of the ingredients in the pwo but NOT the added caffeine! I am trying to get away from taking so much of the stuff, but the products just have too much caffeine in them and it's VERY hard to get more ingredient WITHOUT taking in more caffeine! I take Condense and to get the ingredients (2 scoops) I need I would have to take in 400mg of caffeine! Some companies appear to have 2 versions of their pwo, one with caffeine and one without. Millennium Tech has Ragnarook, and the new PES pwo appears to have a lower caffeine content than normal.

I also sometimes take fat-burners (which almost always have caffeine in them) so stacking this with pwo's that have caffeine give me too much of the stuff! I would like some flexibility to increase the dosages but NOT caffeine!! Controlled Labs also has Blue-up caffeine free, which I have. I think we are raising a generation of kids on too much caffeine destroying their adrenal glands at an early age. Caffeine is so cheap that
we should be allowed to use the dosages we want in the form of caffeine pills if needed. To me, it's almost a cheap way to give a product "energy" when it's just caffeine. Some of the more popular pwo's (I won't name them) are popular because of too much caffeine it appears. When I looked at the ingredients in one of the most popular pwo's, there was NOTHING remarkable in the formula that made it popular, but it just had a TON of caffeine in it!

Does anyone know if Condense will come in a caffeine-free version? What do you guys use that's caffeine-free?

[Adizzle1]

Check out PowerMax, with 2 scoops you get a good dose of the major players without the overpowering stimulation. You could go up to 3 scoops and still not get jittery with PowerMax.

We offer free samples so send an email to info@performaxlabs.com and they will have 2 sample pack(4 scoops) sent out ASAP!!

[Mack411]

Have you ever tried or looked into stim-free focus xt?

[cswalczakny]

Formutech Volatile is really lightly stimmed and I never have any issues with one or two scoops.

Also, if you know what specific ingredients you want more of (i.e. agmatine, beta alanine, c-o-p, etc...) why dont you grab some bulk tubs of those and just add them to a single scoop of a pre mixed pre workout powder?

[BigEdNJ]

If your looking stim free PWO check out IForce Nutrition Hemavol !!! Crazy pump

[bolt10]

I usually add bulk products to stim pre-workouts if they do not contain the adequate amount of actives in the amounts I take.

Some of my favorite non-stim forumlas that can be added to pretty much any stim products include Genomyx Protocol and Iforce Hemavol.

[cswalczakny]

If your looking stim free PWO check out IForce Nutrition Hemavol !!! Crazy pump

I usually add bulk products to stim pre-workouts if they do not contain the adequate amount of actives in the amounts I take.

Some of my favorite non-stim forumlas that can be added to pretty much any stim products include Genomyx Protocol and Iforce Hemavol.

yeah Hemovol is a really effective stack on top of any stimmed pwo

[USPlabsRep]

I have purchased almost every popular PWO supp under the sun and I can't adjust the dosages I need because of the caffeine content! I am a larger-size guy (240lbs -250lbs) and need more of the ingredients in the pwo but NOT the added caffeine! I am trying to get away from taking so much of the stuff, but the products just have too much caffeine in them and it's VERY hard to get more ingredient WITHOUT taking in more caffeine! I take Condense and to get the ingredients (2 scoops) I need I would have to take in 400mg of caffeine! Some companies appear to have 2 versions of their pwo, one with caffeine and one without. Millennium Tech has Ragnarook, and the new PES pwo appears to have a lower caffeine content than normal.

I also sometimes take fat-burners (which almost always have caffeine in them) so stacking this with pwo's that have caffeine give me too much of the stuff! I would like some flexibility to increase the dosages but NOT caffeine!! Controlled Labs also has Blue-up caffeine free, which I have. I think we are raising a generation of kids on too much caffeine destroying their adrenal glands at an early age. Caffeine is so cheap that
we should be allowed to use the dosages we want in the form of caffeine pills if needed. To me, it's almost a cheap way to give a product "energy" when it's just caffeine. Some of the more popular pwo's (I won't name them) are popular because of too much caffeine it appears. When I looked at the ingredients in one of the most popular pwo's, there was NOTHING remarkable in the formula that made it popular, but it just had a TON of caffeine in it!

Does anyone know if Condense will come in a caffeine-free version? What do you guys use that's caffeine-free?

Jack3d Micro has 125mgs caffiene per scoop

[murk01]

dont like stims??? :-\
Muscle Marinade would prob tune up up. try Hemoval its good.

[aceroni]

I have purchased almost every popular PWO supp under the sun and I can't adjust the dosages I need because of the caffeine content! I am a larger-size guy (240lbs -250lbs) and need more of the ingredients in the pwo but NOT the added caffeine! I am trying to get away from taking so much of the stuff, but the products just have too much caffeine in them and it's VERY hard to get more ingredient WITHOUT taking in more caffeine! I take Condense and to get the ingredients (2 scoops) I need I would have to take in 400mg of caffeine! Some companies appear to have 2 versions of their pwo, one with caffeine and one without. Millennium Tech has Ragnarook, and the new PES pwo appears to have a lower caffeine content than normal.

I also sometimes take fat-burners (which almost always have caffeine in them) so stacking this with pwo's that have caffeine give me too much of the stuff! I would like some flexibility to increase the dosages but NOT caffeine!! Controlled Labs also has Blue-up caffeine free, which I have. I think we are raising a generation of kids on too much caffeine destroying their adrenal glands at an early age. Caffeine is so cheap that
we should be allowed to use the dosages we want in the form of caffeine pills if needed. To me, it's almost a cheap way to give a product "energy" when it's just caffeine. Some of the more popular pwo's (I won't name them) are popular because of too much caffeine it appears. When I looked at the ingredients in one of the most popular pwo's, there was NOTHING remarkable in the formula that made it popular, but it just had a TON of caffeine in it!

Does anyone know if Condense will come in a caffeine-free version? What do you guys use that's caffeine-free?

Try caffeine free fastwitch it's a good pre from what I remember

[Geoforce]

Yeah, caffeine isn't going anywhere. It's going to be a mainstay in almost every pre-workout released. You do have some stim free or lower stim options already suggested or making your own powder as also suggested. Just realize it's incredibly unlikely that companies are going to start making a lot of caffeine free pre-workout products. It's in about 99% of all pre-workouts.

[zv3]

Yeah, caffeine isn't going anywhere. It's going to be a mainstay in almost every pre-workout released. You do have some stim free or lower stim options already suggested or making your own powder as also suggested. Just realize it's incredibly unlikely that companies are going to start making a lot of caffeine free pre-workout products. It's in about 99% of all pre-workouts.

Your probably right, but I do see a shift AWAY from heavily-stimmed products. At least some companies are offering a stim-free alternative, wish Condense would offer stim-free. I actually see some companies advertising their non-stimmed products in a positive light.
I see a couple caffeine-free products on the Planet, maybe I will take the leap and test a couple.

[mr.cooper69]

Enhanced seemed to have a low caffeine content with good doses of other actives if the *** label was accurate.

Stimulant-Free Focus XT is a great option right now, along with iForce Hemavol

[thebigt]

Your probably right, but I do see a shift AWAY from heavily-stimmed products. At least some companies are offering a stim-free alternative, wish Condense would offer stim-free. I actually see some companies advertising their non-stimmed products in a positive light.
I see a couple caffeine-free products on the Planet, maybe I will take the leap and test a couple.

unfortunately i agree...supp companies are losing their balls when it comes to strong stims!!!

[BPjohn123]

Enhanced has 125 mg, even if dosing 2 scoops it would only be 250mg.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Enhanced has 125 mg, even if dosing 2 scoops it would only be 250mg.

Psshh read the title bro

[BPjohn123]

Psshh read the title bro

Read the thread bro

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Read the thread bro

No.

[BPjohn123]

No.

Lol

[mr.cooper69]

Enhanced has 125 mg, even if dosing 2 scoops it would only be 250mg.

This is IMO the perfect range for me. The naive caffeine user has a yerkes dodson curve peaking at around 100mg for weightlifting, so they can go with 1 scoop, whereas us more experienced users can benefit from 2 scoops.