PWO supp companies, PLEASE stop with the caffeine!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    there are 2 reasons for that:
    1. you can feel it working almost immediately...almost every review i have read rates the stim effect.
    2. it sells...go to a gas station and see how many energy [caffeine] products are available. why? because many people want them and buy them!!!

    i agree their should be stim free options...but anyone who thinks that supps today are heavy on stims hasn't been around supps very long, imo. 4-5 years ago the stim formulas in supps would make todays stim formulas look like kool aid.
    Agreed. My main point was that "stopping" with the caffeine isn't going to happen. Now some companies might offer stim free versions and some companies might start making ones with less caffeine. But the idea that they will stop just isn't going to happen. There is a reason it is in 99% of pre-workouts after all.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Agreed. My main point was that "stopping" with the caffeine isn't going to happen. Now some companies might offer stim free versions and some companies might start making ones with less caffeine. But the idea that they will stop just isn't going to happen. There is a reason it is in 99% of pre-workouts after all.
    no arguement from me...i like the idea of stim free formulas being available for those that want them....my wish is that if they Are going to put stims in they go big, lol...at least let us who love big stim effects to have that option also!!!!
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  3. Id like to see more stim free products!

  4. CORE is about to release a pre-workout and I know Doug is making a stim and stim free version, and I agree its nice to see companies *starting* to go that route. Or you could do half and half serving if you want a lighter day.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Id like to see more stim free products!
    indeed..and there should be, imo.


    but remember, if this thread were promising a new revolutionary stim product that had ephedra like effects, it would be 70 pages by now!!!
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  7. The 'stim' in all these products are what sells them. People feel the effect of a stimulant and the placebo effect takes over. "Oh, feel that buzz, I'm gonna have a great work out now" It's total BS, but it makes the Supp Companies millions of dollars.

    When in reality caffeine and other stims do nothing to make you stronger, quite the opposite in fact, especially over the long run.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    As well you should. We don't need these massive amounts of stims in pre-workouts that so many companies seem to be fond of. Number one I don't think it's that healthy for users and number 2 I don't think it's that beneficial. Note that I'm talking about the companies that underdose many different ingredients but mega dose that one.
    That's my problem, to me it's almost a form of "cheating" to use so much caffeine but not to adequately dose the other ingredients. 100 -200mg of caffeine is good enough for me. People are getting "hooked" on so much caffeine and they are judging how good the pwo products are based on the "stim" feeling, which is just cheap caffeine! I use fat-burners which have caffeine in them, so it's hard to use a pwo and fat-burners together because of the possibility of using too much caffeine. Plus doesn't using too much caffeine burn-out your adrenal glands?

    I like the PES Enhanced approach, they use just enough caffeine so that even at 2 scoops (which I always need for most products) I wont be running on pure caffeine! To me, the higher-quality pwo's use lower dosage caffeine, or none at all. I've had some bad caffeine withdrawal taking to much, and I do some sort of exercise 6 days a week so that is a lot of caffeine! Hemoval is great, so is Ragnoorak from MT. I am still working on what dose works for me using the Focus XT I have. One scoop does not seem to be enough at this time to get me going.

    If Condense would come out with a caffeine-free version I would be all over that!!
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