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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    CLA actually rapes insulin sensitivity and causes insulin resistance in most forms that are sold as dietary supplements.

    Na-R-ALA, banaba, 4-oh-isl, and agmatine are all good options.
    thats not conclusive

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Preliminary evidence in obese diabetic rats suggests that conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) may have antidiabetic properties, based on reductions in fasting glucose and insulin concentrations. However, in lean rats, CLA causes hyperinsulinemia. Furthermore, experiments in humans also suggest that CLA may worsen insulin sensitivity.
    OBJECTIVES:

    The present study examined whether CLA supplementation can improve insulin sensitivity in humans.
    DESIGN:

    : Sixteen young sedentary individuals (age, 21.5 +/- 0.4 yr (mean +/- SEM); body mass, 77.6 +/- 3.4 kg) participated in this study. Ten subjects received 4 g x d of mixed CLA isomers (35.5%cis-9, trans-11; 36.8%trans-10, cis-12) for 8 wk, whereas six subjects received placebo (safflower oil). Oral glucose tolerance tests were performed at baseline (0), 4 and 8 wk of supplementation.
    RESULTS:

    : After 8 wk of CLA supplementation, insulin sensitivity index (ISI) increased (14.4 +/- 1.0, 8 wk vs 11.3 +/- 1.3, 0 wk; P < 0.05), which corresponded to a decrease in fasting insulin concentrations. Six of the 10 subjects showed large increases in their ISI (range, +27 to 90%), whereas two demonstrated essential no change (+3 to 5%), and two had a decrease in insulin sensitivity (-12 to -13%). ISI was unchanged over 8 wk in the placebo group.
    CONCLUSIONS:

    Our results indicate that a common dosage of a commercially available CLA supplement can improve ISI in young, sedentary individuals. However, there is considerable individual variability in the response. Additional studies are required to identify underlying metabolic changes in human skeletal muscle.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    Believe me, I've looked at every CLA study under the sun. The isomer composition and dose are key. Look for the trends between the insulin-sensitivity data vs the insulin-resistance data and you'll see why. You'll also see why the vast majority of CLA products don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Any suggestions on what to stack with a GDA (going with Recompadrol). Want to try something different than my usual DAA/Erase stack. Maybe a GH product...Currently looking at Lecheek Mass HGH, Blue Growth, Somnidren, and HGHup. What seems to be everybody's fav? Interesting info about CLA, Coop. Glad I heard it here, because I'm already planning a summer cut stack and can now make CLA a scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Believe me, I've looked at every CLA study under the sun. The isomer composition and dose are key. Look for the trends between the insulin-sensitivity data vs the insulin-resistance data and you'll see why. You'll also see why the vast majority of CLA products don't work.
    They work on me, I get really bad hives and breakout in allergies
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    They work on me, I get really bad hives and breakout in allergies
    You're not alone on the hives
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleIQ View Post
    Why do you want to increase insullin sensitivity? Do you have normal or unstable/high blood sugar levels?
    ....in hopes that he builds more muscle and looses more fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleIQ View Post
    Why do you want to increase insullin sensitivity? Do you have normal or unstable/high blood sugar levels?
    General health. Feedback mechanisms (insulin is the dominant inhibitor of HSL for lipolysis. Less insulin should theoretically increase lipolysis). Conversely, insulin also blunts appetite, so anything that acts as a GDA intrinsically increases appetite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleIQ View Post
    Why do you want to increase insullin sensitivity? Do you have normal or unstable/high blood sugar levels?
    I believe that I have to improve it because I tend to accumulate subcutaneous fat in my belly (normally a sign of insulin insensivity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post

    I believe that I have to improve it because I tend to accumulate subcutaneous fat in my belly (normally a sign of insulin insensivity)
    Ditto.

    Alcar, agmatine, and anabolic pump all help me.

    I used to not be able to tolerate even 50g of carbs a day.. Now I'm at ~200... I also swear by hiit cardio to help keep carbs from getting stored as fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ditto.

    Alcar, agmatine, and anabolic pump all help me.

    I used to not be able to tolerate even 50g of carbs a day.. Now I'm at ~200... I also swear by hiit cardio to help keep carbs from getting stored as fat
    How do you know that now you can handle more carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post

    How do you know that now you can handle more carbs?
    Bc I've lost body fat and gained muscle at the same time while eating more carbs than i ever thought possible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post

    How do you know that now you can handle more carbs?
    Also sometimes people experience less bloating from the carb consumption
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    What are best times to take NA-Rala and agmatine for purposes of lowering bodyfat while taking in carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chainsaw View Post
    What are best times to take NA-Rala and agmatine for purposes of lowering bodyfat while taking in carbs?
    15 minutes and 30 minutes pre meal, respectively
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    Got my Recompadrol yesterday. Will be putting it to the test starting Saturday, as it's going to be 4 days straight of fun, sun, and feasts fit for a king! Will let everybody know how it fares. Damage control is what I'm mainly using it for, but am also anticipating it to fill me out
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Got my Recompadrol yesterday. Will be putting it to the test starting Saturday, as it's going to be 4 days straight of fun, sun, and feasts fit for a king! Will let everybody know how it fares. Damage control is what I'm mainly using it for, but am also anticipating it to fill me out
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    will nutraplanet be restocking in NA-Rala caps anytime soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chainsaw View Post
    will nutraplanet be restocking in NA-Rala caps anytime soon?
    I sure wish they would
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