PES...REALLY?!

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  1. The main thing that PES needs to bring into consideration is Value because that plays a huge role in deciding which protein I go with. This is something I consume up to 3 times per day so with the high volume of usage, i'm looking at 2 weeks out of a 5lb tub... Price will be a big bargaining chip as to whether I switch. I'm sure that goes for others.
    The ones I'm rocking with right now
    Giant Sports Delicious Protein: 63 servings
    VPX Zero Carb: 85 servings

    I usually buy in bulk around the time of sales and what'not for best value.
    Right now a 12lb bag of ON Serious Mass is 53$ on Amazon... which IMO is a ****ing steal!
    10lb bag of whey 100 bucks, 150 servings. Divide that by half that's 75 full servings, roughly 4 weeks of usage.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Russianog View Post
    The main thing that PES needs to bring into consideration is Value because that plays a huge role in deciding which protein I go with. This is something I consume up to 3 times per day so with the high volume of usage, i'm looking at 2 weeks out of a 5lb tub... Price will be a big bargaining chip as to whether I switch. I'm sure that goes for others.
    The ones I'm rocking with right now
    Giant Sports Delicious Protein: 63 servings
    VPX Zero Carb: 85 servings

    I usually buy in bulk around the time of sales and what'not for best value.
    Right now a 12lb bag of ON Serious Mass is 53$ on Amazon... which IMO is a ****ing steal!
    10lb bag of whey 100 bucks, 150 servings. Divide that by half that's 75 full servings, roughly 4 weeks of usage.
    Serious Mass is over 80% maltodextrin. You can buy 8lbs of it for ~$20 and combine it with protein powder for an even more economical deal.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. They dook aar Jerbs!
    MEM->DCA->PHL->MEM

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Serious Mass is over 80% maltodextrin. You can buy 8lbs of it for ~$20 and combine it with protein powder for an even more economical deal.
    excellent point. care to elaborate on Iso-Mass?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    We have more on the way as well.

    Wait, what?!
    Trying to let everything out?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    There will be more than one PES protein in our future...which asks a good question.

    Why TYPES of proteins do you guys want to see?

    Protein types (iso, casein, etc) and also, categories. Post workout, morning, etc.
    I am responding to this thread because I know PES only puts out solid, quality products that work. Otherwise, the forthcoming recommendation/request would surely be scoffed at. That being said, I would love to see a blended mix of WPI, whey hydrolysate, and casein hydrolysate. I would like the protein content to be derived from cows not treated with antibiotics, growth hormone, and fed an all grass diet. In addition to this, omit artificial sweeteners, and sweeten with stevia (and no splenda, please, that is not natural!). Flavor ideas... oreo milkshake, peppermint cheesecake, banana split.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I am responding to this thread because I know PES only puts out solid, quality products that work. Otherwise, the forthcoming recommendation/request would surely be scoffed at. That being said, I would love to see a blended mix of WPI, whey hydrolysate, and casein hydrolysate. I would like the protein content to be derived from cows not treated with antibiotics, growth hormone, and fed an all grass diet. In addition to this, omit artificial sweeteners, and sweeten with stevia (and no splenda, please, that is not natural!). Flavor ideas... oreo milkshake, peppermint cheesecake, banana split.

    That wont be really cost effective and might end up quite expensive. I highly doubt this will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I am responding to this thread because I know PES only puts out solid, quality products that work. Otherwise, the forthcoming recommendation/request would surely be scoffed at. That being said, I would love to see a blended mix of WPI, whey hydrolysate, and casein hydrolysate. I would like the protein content to be derived from cows not treated with antibiotics, growth hormone, and fed an all grass diet. In addition to this, omit artificial sweeteners, and sweeten with stevia (and no splenda, please, that is not natural!). Flavor ideas... oreo milkshake, peppermint cheesecake, banana split.
    Artificial sweeteners really aren't all that bad.

    - Valdez
    Founder & Owner
    Aspire. Train. Perform. Nutrition
    "More than a supplement company."

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Artificial sweeteners really aren't all that bad.

    - Valdez
    They are classified as an excitotoxin, which is what MSG is also classified as. You're a big boy, bro, so I'm not going to lecture or get on a soap box. But just google the topic at hand and see for yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    They are classified as an excitotoxin, which is what MSG is also classified as. You're a big boy, bro, so I'm not going to lecture or get on a soap box. But just google the topic at hand and see for yourself
    You're talking about insane amounts. Normal consumption is of little concern

    - Valdez
    Founder & Owner
    Aspire. Train. Perform. Nutrition
    "More than a supplement company."

  11. As much as PES would love to utilize hormone/antibiotic free grass fed milk.. the price of a 2 pound jug would be over $50+.

    We wouldn't move that product. The idea is great, just unfortunately truly infeasible.
    The Historic PES Legend

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I am responding to this thread because I know PES only puts out solid, quality products that work. Otherwise, the forthcoming recommendation/request would surely be scoffed at. That being said, I would love to see a blended mix of WPI, whey hydrolysate, and casein hydrolysate. I would like the protein content to be derived from cows not treated with antibiotics, growth hormone, and fed an all grass diet. In addition to this, omit artificial sweeteners, and sweeten with stevia (and no splenda, please, that is not natural!). Flavor ideas... oreo milkshake, peppermint cheesecake, banana split.
    Im sure there are large posts I could dig up on each of these topics, but let me just get your take first. Why do you feel:

    1. Isolates and hydrosylates are superior?
    2. Cows must be grass-fed and "natty?"
    3. Artificial sweeteners are bad?

    Here is what the body of data shows:

    1. Unless you're lactose intolerant, WPC retains more dairy-specific growth factors than any of those forms. Whey and casein hydro (not peptopro) have data showing inferior effects on body composition to WPC.

    2. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated no detriment to current milking procedures.

    3. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated that artificial sweeteners are not only safe, but safer than many things in the food supply "naturally."

    The distinction between natural and artificial needs to be properly addressed. Essentially every medication you take is of artificial origin. And these medicines have increased human quality of life and lifespan by an incredible amount. Rather than focusing on the origin of compounds, why not dissect the in Vivo data and see if they are neutral, of detriment, or even of benefit to humans?

    Anyway, I'd still like to get your take on the above three questions, as we are all individuals and I'd like to know why you feel this way

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    They are classified as an excitotoxin, which is what MSG is also classified as. You're a big boy, bro, so I'm not going to lecture or get on a soap box. But just google the topic at hand and see for yourself
    Surcalose is not an excitotoxin. Really only aspartame could fit this definition, but it won't matter unless you suffer from a BH4 reduction issue or just classical PKU

    Glutamate is an excitatory neurotransmitter. Mono sodium glutamate (MSG) is dietary glutamate that when CONSUMED IN EXCESS can have negative effects. You should note that anything consumed In excess is toxic, even water.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Dan View Post
    Hey coop not to hijack this thread and I know you don't rep for SNS anymore but I was looking on nutraplanet at Focus XT and Caffeine Free Focus XT and why is Focus XT sweetened with Acesulfame potassium and the caffeine free is sweetened with Sucralose?
    The caffeine-free version used a new flavoring system, and all the testers seemed to love it so SNS stuck with it. It's not a big deal either way unless you plan on drinking 10 tubs of stimmed Focus XT in one sitting (no, I don't recommend this lol).

  15. Pistacio flavor!!!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Profion View Post
    Pistacio flavor!!!!
    Wonder how hard this one would be to perfect. I love me some Pistacio Ice Cream.
    The Historic PES Legend

  17. I did get some protiens shakes from my gym one time that were pistacio! I can tell you the flavor was SO awesome... mmm

  18. Butterscotch?
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  19. Something along the lines of Trutein, where you're not getting a protein "blend" that is comprised of 98% whey concentrate with minimal amounts of whatever else is left.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Something along the lines of Trutein, where you're not getting a protein "blend" that is comprised of 98% whey concentrate with minimal amounts of whatever else is left.
    I like this idea.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  21. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post

    You're talking about insane amounts. Normal consumption is of little concern

    - Valdez
    Normal consumption over the years adds up to an insane amount

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    As much as PES would love to utilize hormone/antibiotic free grass fed milk.. the price of a 2 pound jug would be over $50+.

    We wouldn't move that product. The idea is great, just unfortunately truly infeasible.
    I know. That's how much I pay for my current brand of protein. Oh well, PES still rocks my supp shelf!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Im sure there are large posts I could dig up on each of these topics, but let me just get your take first. Why do you feel:

    1. Isolates and hydrosylates are superior?
    2. Cows must be grass-fed and "natty?"
    3. Artificial sweeteners are bad?

    Here is what the body of data shows:

    1. Unless you're lactose intolerant, WPC retains more dairy-specific growth factors than any of those forms. Whey and casein hydro (not peptopro) have data showing inferior effects on body composition to WPC.

    2. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated no detriment to current milking procedures.

    3. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated that artificial sweeteners are not only safe, but safer than many things in the food supply "naturally."

    The distinction between natural and artificial needs to be properly addressed. Essentially every medication you take is of artificial origin. And these medicines have increased human quality of life and lifespan by an incredible amount. Rather than focusing on the origin of compounds, why not dissect the in Vivo data and see if they are neutral, of detriment, or even of benefit to humans?

    Anyway, I'd still like to get your take on the above three questions, as we are all individuals and I'd like to know why you feel this way
    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Normal consumption over the years adds up to an insane amount
    I'm on my phone right now from work and don't have the time to cite studies on artificial sweeteners for you. There are tons of threads going over them here, with study citations in them. That being said, read Coop's post that I quoted for you since you seemed to have missed his response to your original posting.

    - Valdez
    Founder & Owner
    Aspire. Train. Perform. Nutrition
    "More than a supplement company."
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    Peptopro!!!!

    - Valdez
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    Aspire. Train. Perform. Nutrition
    "More than a supplement company."

  25. How about a decent meal replacement with unique sources for carbs and fat. For example-chia seeds, almond flour, or even a vegetable content would be seriously unique like powdered kale. Probiotics or a digestive blend is always good too. Just make it different! There are already too many choices it must be tough to have yours stand out. Also don't get on the recent trend of 4.4 lb instead of a real 5. Leave out the dyes too!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Ginandtonic View Post
    How about a decent meal replacement with unique sources for carbs and fat. For example-chia seeds, almond flour, or even a vegetable content would be seriously unique like powdered kale. Probiotics or a digestive blend is always good too. Just make it different! There are already too many choices it must be tough to have yours stand out. Also don't get on the recent trend of 4.4 lb instead of a real 5. Leave out the dyes too!
    4.4lbs is 2kg.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  27. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Im sure there are large posts I could dig up on each of these topics, but let me just get your take first. Why do you feel:

    1. Isolates and hydrosylates are superior?
    2. Cows must be grass-fed and "natty?"
    3. Artificial sweeteners are bad?

    Here is what the body of data shows:

    1. Unless you're lactose intolerant, WPC retains more dairy-specific growth factors than any of those forms. Whey and casein hydro (not peptopro) have data showing inferior effects on body composition to WPC.

    2. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated no detriment to current milking procedures.

    3. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated that artificial sweeteners are not only safe, but safer than many things in the food supply "naturally."

    The distinction between natural and artificial needs to be properly addressed. Essentially every medication you take is of artificial origin. And these medicines have increased human quality of life and lifespan by an incredible amount. Rather than focusing on the origin of compounds, why not dissect the in Vivo data and see if they are neutral, of detriment, or even of benefit to humans?

    Anyway, I'd still like to get your take on the above three questions, as we are all individuals and I'd like to know why you feel this way
    It's the lifestyle I have adopted for myself, bro. Been living this way for 5 years now. I have read many holistic/natural healing books over the years, and they have literally changed my life. I am of the Jack Lalane school of thought, "If man made it, don't eat it." Obviously, this is impossible to adhere to. However, most of what I consume is of organic origin. As far as refuting your stance, lets just agree to disagree. This topic is way too vast to delve into by electronic means. There's volumes of literature out there on the matter. I will say this, always be cognizant of who is conducting the study, it often has everything to do with the results. Anyways, lets just build some muscle!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    4.4lbs is 2kg.
    And 5 lbs is around 2.7 KG, whats your point? a 5lb jug was the industry standard last time I checked. The typical container for a 5 lb when being used for the 4.4lb contents is slightly misleading to consumers.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Ginandtonic View Post
    And 5 lbs is around 2.7 KG, whats your point? a 5lb jug was the industry standard last time I checked. The typical container for a 5 lb when being used for the 4.4lb contents is slightly misleading to consumers.
    America is not the only market in the world. That's my point.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  30. Back on topic I think a blend is a good idea, I like what Trutein does in giving you a blend but its no proprietary.
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