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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Probably 3 days worth. I've been using level scoops but I'll start rounding them out.

    Hey AB...you said I could continue using TP for another 4 weeks? If I did that do I still only need 4 weeks off? And just curious, but why does it say that I shouldn't run it for more than 4 weeks?

    As always...thanks for the advice!
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    Day 25 - chest

    Bench Press
    145x3
    185x3
    205x3

    Incline DB fly
    45x10
    45x10
    45x9

    Cable x-over
    85x10x3

    Dips
    BWx10x3

    So I'm amazed...woke up with no soreness in my legs. I can say I've never experienced not getting sore from an intense workout, especially with legs!

    Chest felt great after my w/o today. Really stretched out the upper pec muscles right along the collarbone. Had a pump there that I usually have a hard time getting.
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    Good stuff 1ifeblood. Looks like you're going to have to start training legs double frequency to keep up with your recovery haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classic34 View Post
    Good stuff 1ifeblood. Looks like you're going to have to start training legs double frequency to keep up with your recovery haha.
    Ooooh GREAT! lol
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    After getting sick at the beginning of the week I decided it would be a good time to decondition myself since I've been working out straight for several months. I ordered some more Muscle Marinade and AB and decided to run some Erase too. I was going to bulk until the end of March but I hit 196lb and just felt like it was time.

    I'm going to stay with the Wendler's 531 but drop calories to around 1500. This should give me a 2lb loss every week. Macros will roughly be 45% protein, 35% carbs, 20% fats.

    Next 16 weeks will look like this:
    1-16 Muscle Marinade
    1-8 AB.......9-16 ABE
    1-4 Erase...9-16 EP
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    This morning before eating anything...no pump.
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    Are you feeling better now after having been sick? 1500 kcal ouch! That's super low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classic34 View Post
    Are you feeling better now after having been sick? 1500 kcal ouch! That's super low.
    I agree be careful not to cut cals too fast. Have to preserve those muscles!
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    How do you like the MM?

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    Thanks for the feedback guys...I'm feeling a ton better and have actually been itching to get back to the gym. I'll be hitting it again come monday. This last week I've been taking in about 2500 calories and will cut it down to 1800-2000 next week. I'll also be gauging where my strength is after being off this week and taking measurements in order to monitor any changes in composition. I've calculated my rested MBR at 2500 which is why I figured my cutting calories at 1500...this is what I cut on last year and it worked pretty well. I'll see how next week goes at 2k calories though. If I lose any weight I might just keep it there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    How do you like the MM?
    I just bought my second tub...if that tells ya anything. :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Thanks for the feedback guys...I'm feeling a ton better and have actually been itching to get back to the gym. I'll be hitting it again come monday. This last week I've been taking in about 2500 calories and will cut it down to 1800-2000 next week. I'll also be gauging where my strength is after being off this week and taking measurements in order to monitor any changes in composition. I've calculated my rested MBR at 2500 which is why I figured my cutting calories at 1500...this is what I cut on last year and it worked pretty well. I'll see how next week goes at 2k calories though. If I lose any weight I might just keep it there.
    2000 sounds much more reasonable. Remember, you can create a deficit in more ways than one. Cutting your cals down a bit and adding some cardio for additional expenditure is a good way to go about creating a large enough deficit for your liking. Trial and error of course...let us know how the initial calorie cut treats you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post

    I just bought my second tub...if that tells ya anything. :-D
    You followed along with my log on MM and ConDense didn't you? I had amazing results with that stack and holy moly pump city!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post

    You followed along with my log on MM and ConDense didn't you? I had amazing results with that stack and holy moly pump city!
    Yep, I sure did (still am)...If I ever feel like MM starts to weaken for me, I may have to go that route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classic34 View Post
    2000 sounds much more reasonable. Remember, you can create a deficit in more ways than one. Cutting your cals down a bit and adding some cardio for additional expenditure is a good way to go about creating a large enough deficit for your liking. Trial and error of course...let us know how the initial calorie cut treats you.
    That's true...I'll be doing HIIT twice a week whereas last year my cut was all low intensity cardio.

    Are my macros okay for a cut...and I see a lot of AM brolympians going heavy weight on a cut as well. Is Wendler's a good program to use while cutting? Thank you, my friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    That's true...I'll be doing HIIT twice a week whereas last year my cut was all low intensity cardio. Are my macros okay for a cut...and I see a lot of AM brolympians going heavy weight on a cut as well. Is Wendler's a good program to use while cutting? Thank you, my friends!
    Macros are so individual... I see you have percentages listed for the 1500 kcal plan. Do you mind putting things in a grams of protein/carbs/fat format for what you plan to do with 2000ish?I'm a fan of keeping things heavy while dieting. I don't think you that need to switch to an all-heavy powerlifting type program, but being sure to continue to include heavy compound lifts into your program and utilizing some lower rep sets (among higher rep sets) in your routine can be a great help in preserving lean mass.
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    Guess I could use some help with this...I did some recalculating and figure that if I just lose 1lb a week I'll get to where I want to be in 10-11 weeks. Looking to be 180 @ 10%bf if not better. If I can get there that means I'll have gained 5lbs of lean mass since last year. So by my calculations, using a 1.4 activity multiplier (since I'll be doing low intensity cardio after w/o's and HIIT twice a week on off days), I'll be taking in 2100-2500 cals depending on what calculations are used. So as I said, I'll start at 2500 cals and work from there. This week I didn't quite get there...I'm finding it hard to switch from bulk mind-set to cut lol. But this weekend the wife and I are vacationing over the weekend so I let that be my last hoorah and get disciplined starting Monday. :-D

    So I've been reading some more on the macros people use, but there's so many "scientific" versions of what macros should be...I read that you should take in 40% calories in fats 1/3 of each kind (sat, poly, mono) in order to keep hormone regulation optimal. That just seems like a lot to me. If I do that and keep 1g/lb protein, my macros would be 35/25/40 or 191/137/97 in grams (protein, carbs, fats respectively) @ 2187 kcal/day. But I've also read that you should take in 1.5xBW in protein when cutting...that would make it 50/10/40 which is more like a keto diet, which has been VERY debateable as to it's effectiveness and just health-related issues in general.

    So I guess I'd like to know what you guys think since you've been in this with me and the advice/support you've given me so far has definitely benefited my progress. As always...THANKS!
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    More cals from protein and less from fats and carbs has always worked for me.

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    Check this calculator out. Has a few different types of set ups.

    http://www.freedieting.com/tools/weight_loss_tools.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Guess I could use some help with this...I did some recalculating and figure that if I just lose 1lb a week I'll get to where I want to be in 10-11 weeks. Looking to be 180 @ 10%bf if not better. If I can get there that means I'll have gained 5lbs of lean mass since last year. So by my calculations, using a 1.4 activity multiplier (since I'll be doing low intensity cardio after w/o's and HIIT twice a week on off days), I'll be taking in 2100-2500 cals depending on what calculations are used. So as I said, I'll start at 2500 cals and work from there. This week I didn't quite get there...I'm finding it hard to switch from bulk mind-set to cut lol. But this weekend the wife and I are vacationing over the weekend so I let that be my last hoorah and get disciplined starting Monday. :-D

    So I've been reading some more on the macros people use, but there's so many "scientific" versions of what macros should be...I read that you should take in 40% calories in fats 1/3 of each kind (sat, poly, mono) in order to keep hormone regulation optimal. That just seems like a lot to me. If I do that and keep 1g/lb protein, my macros would be 35/25/40 or 191/137/97 in grams (protein, carbs, fats respectively) @ 2187 kcal/day. But I've also read that you should take in 1.5xBW in protein when cutting...that would make it 50/10/40 which is more like a keto diet, which has been VERY debateable as to it's effectiveness and just health-related issues in general.

    So I guess I'd like to know what you guys think since you've been in this with me and the advice/support you've given me so far has definitely benefited my progress. As always...THANKS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    More cals from protein and less from fats and carbs has always worked for me.
    Yeah, I noticed you're doing carb-cycling to bulk...if you were to cut would you just keep your intake the same as what you take on off days? I'm looking at going 1.75g/BW for protein (338g/56%), keeping fat at 20% of BW (58g/21%), and the rest in carbs (138g/38%)...this puts me at 2423 kcal/day. Most carbs will be in my first PoWO meal and the rest spread evenly throughout (I'll post a more detailed meal plan once I get it figured out). I'm also going to stick with the Wendler's w/o with the high rep assistance work since that gives me the best of both worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Yeah, I noticed you're doing carb-cycling to bulk...if you were to cut would you just keep your intake the same as what you take on off days? I'm looking at going 1.75g/BW for protein (338g/56%), keeping fat at 20% of BW (58g/21%), and the rest in carbs (138g/38%)...this puts me at 2423 kcal/day. Most carbs will be in my first PoWO meal and the rest spread evenly throughout (I'll post a more detailed meal plan once I get it figured out). I'm also going to stick with the Wendler's w/o with the high rep assistance work since that gives me the best of both worlds.
    That sounds decently balanced. Give it a shot and see what happens! Maybe throw in a refeed or carb based cheat meal once per week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Yeah, I noticed you're doing carb-cycling to bulk...if you were to cut would you just keep your intake the same as what you take on off days? I'm looking at going 1.75g/BW for protein (338g/56%), keeping fat at 20% of BW (58g/21%), and the rest in carbs (138g/38%)...this puts me at 2423 kcal/day. Most carbs will be in my first PoWO meal and the rest spread evenly throughout (I'll post a more detailed meal plan once I get it figured out). I'm also going to stick with the Wendler's w/o with the high rep assistance work since that gives me the best of both worlds.
    Yeah on my diet if I were cutting I would reduce carbs on non lifting days by 50g or so and up my protein intake. On training days I would train fasted besides whey/BCAA and get most of my carbs post workout. Probably reduce carbs on those days by 25g. That's just what works for me tho.

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    So after my weekend getaway with the wife, I weighed in at 195.4lbs. Monday was leg day:

    Squats
    170x5
    195x5
    220x5

    Lying Leg curls
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    140x12
    140x10

    Seated calf raise
    110x12x3

    Leg Extensions
    150x10

    Didn't get my last 2 sets in because I ran out of time. But legs have been nice and sore the last couple days.
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    I was off yesterday and didn't get a lot of calories because we did a lot of running around. Today was chest day and I'm going to be very strict on sticking to my diet.

    Flat Bench Press
    135x5
    155x5
    175x5
    *These felt petty easy so I focused on exploding up on each rep.

    Incline DB Fly
    45x12
    45x10
    45x8

    HS decline press
    230x10 (RoM felt too low so I adjusted the seat so the handles were level with my chest)
    180x10
    180x10

    Cable lower chest raise
    60x10
    60x8
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    Felt extremely pumped up after my workout. Can't wait to get my BF% down so I can see how much my body has changed since last year.
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    I added this to my first post of this thread...but I wanted to link to it because it's the first thread I started for my overall progress and will continue to update on it over time. Feel free to check it out if you want to get to know a little bit more about me. ;-)

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    How are you liking the MM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    How are you liking the MM?
    Still gets me going in the mornings...which is hard to do with getting up at 5am. Not only that but in the gym I just want to keep going. Like today, typically I only do 2-3 accessory exercises but I had the time so I did a couple more. I don't crash at any point during the day, either. So, yeah...I'm loving it! I've been using the Cherry Limeade which isn't bad, but I'm excited to try the Fruit flavor I just got lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    I added this to my first post of this thread...but I wanted to link to it because it's the first thread I started for my overall progress and will continue to update on it over time. Feel free to check it out if you want to get to know a little bit more about me. ;-)

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    Looks like the log starts in November. I'll check it out. Progress over a 4 month period should be noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Still gets me going in the mornings...which is hard to do with getting up at 5am. Not only that but in the gym I just want to keep going. Like today, typically I only do 2-3 accessory exercises but I had the time so I did a couple more. I don't crash at any point during the day, either. So, yeah...I'm loving it! I've been using the Cherry Limeade which isn't bad, but I'm excited to try the Fruit flavor I just got lol.
    Yeah it was always awesome for my morning workouts. I really dig ConDense too. It's got a different feel then MM but I like it just as much. More focus for me. Also is a great alternative when cycling off of 1,3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post

    Yeah it was always awesome for my morning workouts. I really dig ConDense too. It's got a different feel then MM but I like it just as much. More focus for me. Also is a great alternative when cycling off of 1,3.
    Hmm...am I supposed to cycle off MM at some point? I know some people will because they lose the stim affects, but is there another reason I need to worry about it?
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    Nah no other reason then some people build a tolerance up and don't get the initial big kick like they do when they first start it. Its like any other stimulant in that regard. Condense is a great alternative because at 2 scoops you actually get 400mg of caffeine so u don't lose any kick compared to 300mg in one scoop of MM but without the 1,3.

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    Back w/o today which meant deadlifts. I struggled a little but got it done. I'm always so winded afterward though, it's hard to get through the rest of my workout. I hate short changing my back workouts though, so I sucked it up and got to it.

    Deadlifts
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    275x5
    305x5

    HS one arm iso-row
    100x12
    100x12
    100x14 (broke form to rip these out)

    Chins (been awhile since I did these)
    BWx6
    *I was so freaking winded and my forearms were numb from the massive pump I had...i did a full chin-up from a dead hang and had to rest about 20 seconds before doing the next one. So I guess these were 6 rest-pause reps. Then I went to the machine lol.
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    BW-20x6

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    90x15
    140x10
    140x10

    Finished off with a burnout set of curls
    65x12

    All in all not a bad session but I'm sure I'll have some significant improvements over the coming weeks. What hinders me the most are my forearms and stamina on back day, so as I adapt the weight will start increasing.
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    Try deads at the end. That's what I normally do so I'm not exhausted.

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    Well hey 6 rest paused reps is better than 1 rep! At least you know you did something right with the deadlifts. It might help to put them on their own day, so that you have an upper back day and a deadlift day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Try deads at the end. That's what I normally do so I'm not exhausted.
    I was thinking about that but then I don't why to hinder my ability to go all out on deads either. I think it's the most important exercise you can do and I want to give everything I've got to it.
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    Just a suggestion. I like to do them last so I'm all warmed up already for one. And also if ur doing deads its got a lot to do with ur quads imo moreso then back. This is why I stick with rack pulls most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classic34 View Post
    Well hey 6 rest paused reps is better than 1 rep! At least you know you did something right with the deadlifts. It might help to put them on their own day, so that you have an upper back day and a deadlift day.
    Thanks Classy...I just might have to throw another gym session in through the week. Maybe deads/abs/arms or something.

    Well, I'm off to hit shoulders now. Feeling sore as he11 in chest and back, especially my lats. But it lets me know I had a productive workout though. Will log a bit later.
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