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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    So due to this cluster **** of a thread I decided to do a little research involving dairy and allergies.

    I have for quite sometime now (8+ years) had GERD and apparently it could be from dairy consumption... Hmmm... I'm going to go a little deeper later but I may give no dairy a go and see what happens. it would be nice to not have to take a damn pill every morning thirty minutes before I eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    So due to this cluster **** of a thread I decided to do a little research involving dairy and allergies.

    I have for quite sometime now (8+ years) had GERD and apparently it could be from dairy consumption... Hmmm... I'm going to go a little deeper later but I may give no dairy a go and see what happens. it would be nice to not have to take a damn pill every morning thirty minutes before I eat.
    and that's what it's all about
    isn't it strange, how something that seems odd or doubtful, or a wild turn of events that may seem depleted (or diminished, or even deleriously outrageous) -- can actually lead to personal growth and discovery?
    sure sometimes there is nothing to it - but that in itself is actually a learning experience

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    We shall see, I'm still skeptical
    always be balanced, healthy skepticism is tremendously valuable (as been mentioned)
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    for my part, i learned that hey - maybe science (esp in regards to compositional factors) may not be so bad after all..maybe i like it
    (i still always carry healthy skepticism lol)
    and, my next realm of self-discovery in dietary discretion may just be tackling the total gluten-free barrier..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Do you take fish oil? If so, stop

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    No I can't take fish oils but some of my worst reflux bouts are from fish oils

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    No I can't take fish oils but some of my worst reflux bouts are from fish oils

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    Take 1 Tbsp of apple cider vinegar 1-2x/day. You'll be fine in a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Take 1 Tbsp of apple cider vinegar 1-2x/day. You'll be fine in a week.
    This. I had horrible acid reflux, took ACV for roughly a week and havent had it since. Although i regularly take ACV now for the plethora of benefits it offers.
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    Sup Rodja

    You think there is ANY Difference betwen the caps and the real deal/liquid

    Also highly debated

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    Take 1 Tbsp of apple cider vinegar 1-2x/day. You'll be fine in a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Sup Rodja

    You think there is ANY Difference betwen the caps and the real deal/liquid

    Also highly debated
    I haven't personally tried the tabs of them to compare them against the liquid, but I generally defer to the form found within nature, which is obviously liquid.
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    Plus I imagine liquid is less $$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Take 1 Tbsp of apple cider vinegar 1-2x/day. You'll be fine in a week.
    Tried it :/ works for EVERYONE but me... Sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Tried it :/ works for EVERYONE but me... Sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post

    Tried it :/ works for EVERYONE but me... Sucks

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    I use the pills, not that, that makes a difference lol

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    Possibly the culprit can be low stomach acidity. Betaine hcl is worth a try IMO

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    ^^ damn this dood is on da ball
    betaine very intriguing, lowers homocysteine levels which of course if elevated contribute to a host of health risks (cardiovascular etc)
    betaine could help digestive issues - also plays a role in methionine cycle (which has intrigued me for long time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Did you get the Mother in it?
    Mother? Are you giving me ****? I used bragg...

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    Oh lol yes the 'mother' is in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i don't want to argue, and you are missing the point

    and none of this has anything to do with your above apparent understanding of WHY milk adds weight to you

    protein itself -- IN ANY FORM be it liquid powder or otherwise -- is the LEAST conducive macronutrient with which to gain WEIGHT
    by far, not even close
    Can you elaborate on this(maybe you have already and I have not read it yet)? If you have, I will get to it sometime, when I have a chance to read all these pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackcat View Post
    Can you elaborate on this(maybe you have already and I have not read it yet)? If you have, I will get to it sometime, when I have a chance to read all these pages.
    He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

    When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

    EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

    When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

    When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

    EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying
    Ok, I am following you, that clears up what I was confused about. Thanks for the reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackcat View Post
    Ok, I am following you, that clears up what I was confused about. Thanks for the reply.
    well, jiigzz gets technical about it, but sure
    to put make it simple, the basic TEF formula (thermic effect of food)
    looking at it another way, is hardest for body to digest, so makes body work harder
    to view it in numerical value:
    protein - @30% of every protein cal burned in digestion
    carbs - @6-8% of every cal burned in digestion
    fats - @2-3% of every cal burned in digestion

    while protein will help in muscle tissue repair and growth surely - the great value in bb'ing circles should not be looked at as protein = "gaining weight" but rather (in combination with lowering of other macros) viewed as protein helps you lose weight (or aids in body comp)

    digestive energy expenditure is (in my opinion) a most overlooked aspect in this realm, by nutritionists and diet "gurus" alike
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    This will make for some great reading this weekend I'm sure. 18 pages???! No problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    This will make for some great reading this weekend I'm sure. 18 pages???! No problem
    is only 14 on my screen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    27 on mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post

    shyte!
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    i just enjoy the topics
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    Re: Protein Shake vs FOOD Source


    Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
    betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
    Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

    Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

    Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - Betaine As An Ergogenic Aid for more on TMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
    betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
    Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

    Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

    Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - Betaine As An Ergogenic Aid for more on TMG
    ahhhhh, true
    (love some clarification, and always good to question)
    is why i simply stated "betaine" in my shortened abbreviated post (was going to bed), and did not specify the form in any of my statements

    good catch!

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    Just wanted to clear it up because betaine hcl taken at the dosage that TMG is recommended at will not be fun for someone.

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    I know from personal experience stuff tears your stomach up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I know from personal experience stuff tears your stomach up
    anecdotal experience shared, certainly has use
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
    betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
    Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

    Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

    Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - Betaine As An Ergogenic Aid for more on TMG

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    I am glad you cleared that up lol.

    I was thinking "they are definitely not talking about the same thing".
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    I should have saw that comment coming. Kinda walked right into that

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I should have saw that comment coming. Kinda walked right into that
    lulz
    is easy to do, happens to me all the time..

    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I am glad you cleared that up lol.

    I was thinking "they are definitely not talking about the same thing".
    see? looky there

    different context, but same thing

    doesn't help engrish isn't my first language, some things get lost in the thought translation lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

    When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

    EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying
    Almost! Almost all the amino acid substrate we have (mostly from daily protein turnover) is actually used for new body protein synthesis, 80% of which is skeletal muscle tissue. Protein breakdown is also actually the #1 source of new amino acids in the body, accounting for 400g of new amino acids a day (as opposed to the much lower number you get via diet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    well, jiigzz gets technical about it, but sure
    to put make it simple, the basic TEF formula (thermic effect of food)
    looking at it another way, is hardest for body to digest, so makes body work harder
    to view it in numerical value:
    protein - @30% of every protein cal burned in digestion
    carbs - @6-8% of every cal burned in digestion
    fats - @2-3% of every cal burned in digestion

    while protein will help in muscle tissue repair and growth surely - the great value in bb'ing circles should not be looked at as protein = "gaining weight" but rather (in combination with lowering of other macros) viewed as protein helps you lose weight (or aids in body comp)

    digestive energy expenditure is (in my opinion) a most overlooked aspect in this realm, by nutritionists and diet "gurus" alike

    Wow, good info, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Almost! Almost all the amino acid substrate we have (mostly from daily protein turnover) is actually used for new body protein synthesis, 80% of which is skeletal muscle tissue. Protein breakdown is also actually the #1 source of new amino acids in the body, accounting for 400g of new amino acids a day (as opposed to the much lower number you get via diet).
    Are you saying (this is my interpretation) that deamination does not occur? I'm not quite sure I follow, perhaps I should wait for clarification before I presume anything
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    Re: Protein Shake vs FOOD Source


    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    So due to this cluster **** of a thread I decided to do a little research involving dairy and allergies.

    I have for quite sometime now (8+ years) had GERD and apparently it could be from dairy consumption... Hmmm... I'm going to go a little deeper later but I may give no dairy a go and see what happens. it would be nice to not have to take a damn pill every morning thirty minutes before I eat.

    - Valdez
    Before the combo starts to drift I stumbled upon this

    http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/16/2/116.pdf

    Figured it may be useful to you.


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    Re: Protein Shake vs FOOD Source


    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Before the combo starts to drift I stumbled upon this

    http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/16/2/116.pdf

    Figured it may be useful to you.


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    I started reading it during breakfast and will finish up on lunch. It looks to be of great use thanks bud.

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