Protein Shake vs FOOD Source

[mr.cooper69]

I wanna post a URL but its not letting me. This is a little bit of the article

Answer: Real food is by far the most important component of a bodybuilding diet. There are so many nutrients that real food contains, many of which have not even been discovered yet, that you would be doing yourself a disservice by limiting the amount of real food that you are eating.

In addition, real food has what is called a "thermic effect". A "thermic effect" is the impact that real food has in your metabolism. Because real food requires digestion, your body burns more calories in processing it; as opposed to shakes which are already pre-digested.

Regardless of what the ads tell you, protein shakes do not offer any muscle building benefit, nor "secret muscle building ingredient", above and beyond what real food offers you. Yes, I have read the ads too with all sorts of speedy muscle building promises but I can assure you through experience that most of the ingredients advertised as miraculous have not been proven to work neither by science (even though most ads of this nature usually talk about research studies that usually do not exist) nor by actual results at the gym. These products however have been proven beyond the shadow of any scientific doubt to shrink the size of your wallet and bank account.

Ok

1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.

[liftandeat]

Ok

1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.

Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.

[mr.cooper69]

Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.

Who is saying to use protein powder as a permnant substitute for real food? I just re-read every post in this thread. Either you can't read or you can't comprehend the phrase "all things in moderation."

[jimbuick]

Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.

Strong reading comprehension.

[liftandeat]

Haha I'm cornered. Ok guys you win. Gang up on the new guy. Bottom line is if you drink more than 2 protein shakes a day your over doing it.

[jimbuick]

Haha I'm cornered. Ok guys you win. Gang up on the new guy. Bottom line is if you drink more than 2 protein shakes a day your over doing it.

You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.

[liftandeat]

You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.

This is a forum. A forum is
A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.

[jimbuick]

This is a forum. A forum is
A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.

And when your knowledge is shown to be incorrect by people with much more knowledge than you, you continue to pour out incorrect information without even considering the information presented to you.

If you aren't here to learn why even sign in?

[mr.cooper69]

This is a forum. A forum is
A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.

Your "knowledge" is just repeating what everyone else here said (not to rely solely on protein shakes) and then insisting that we are all whey protein addicts and that we shouldn't be replacing food with shakes.

Has anyone here disagreed with that point? No. Are you exhibiting symptoms of pre-clinical psychosis, i.e. thinking the world is against you and imagining that people are arguing with you when they are in fact in agreement with you? Yes.

[liftandeat]

And when your knowledge is shown to be incorrect by people with much more knowledge than you, you continue to pour out incorrect information without even considering the information presented to you.

If you aren't here to learn why even sign in?

Haha oh my god man the title of this thread is protein shakes vs food source. Food always wins. What did they do back when they didn't have protein powder. Show me some scientific evidence that powder is as good as food. C'mon I've been trying to prove my point try to prove yours. Educate me bro.

[jimbuick]

You are correct. Nothing makes real food better outside of satiety. However, variety is key. Overdoing, say, chicken breast, leaves your amino acid pool quite skewed towards certain AAs. The same applies to relying heavily on whey protein. The real point is don't overdo any one source (protein or whole food), as you may be short changing yourself.

Ok

1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.

Point proven.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Just use glutamine

[PalmFist]

Most doctors aren't educated on nutrition, so they will spout ridiculous nonsense like that

His kidneys had to be effed up in the first place. I am a year away from my BS in nutrition and will get my RD shortly thereafter as well as applying to med school. Most Doctors don't know diddly about nutrition. Neither do most CPTs or coaches. There's a reason nutritionists take 3 yrs of nutrition/chemistry/biology courses

[howwedo107]

So agmatine used at 1g seems to be the normal "full" dose for people for great pumps now my question is if your on cycle you can store more glycogen so if I drink more water and up my agmatine would that create a bigger pump since I'm on cycle?

[Jiigzz]

Haha oh my god man the title of this thread is protein shakes vs food source. Food always wins. What did they do back when they didn't have protein powder. Show me some scientific evidence that powder is as good as food. C'mon I've been trying to prove my point try to prove yours. Educate me bro.

Protein powder is useful for what it is designed for; giving protein.. Its not a meal replacement or substitute,its something extra to coincide with a diet.

[jimbuick]

Also I would like to point out that I agree that whole foods are better.

But my main point of disagreement is you saying that protein shakes are damaging to the kidneys because they are somehow different than other forms of protein.

Macronutrients are macronutrients, its the micronutrients that make the difference for me.

[PalmFist]

You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.

Lol

[FL3X MAGNUM]

So agmatine used at 1g seems to be the normal "full" dose for people for great pumps now my question is if your on cycle you can store more glycogen so if I drink more water and up my agmatine would that create a bigger pump since I'm on cycle?

Let's find out

[liftandeat]

Point proven.

Ok trying to learn not fight. So on # 2 your saying that the protein from real food like meat is just as good as the protein from powder?

[jimbuick]

Ok trying to learn not fight. So on # 2 your saying that the protein from real food like meat is just as good as the protein from powder?

Its all digested and absorbed the same.

The body doesn't discriminate because of it being liquid and it is all absorbed equally.

Ultimately it is milk protein, if it were any different from beef or chicken then the same argument could be made for the protein you gain from milk.