Protein Shake vs FOOD Source

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat
    Gotta be careful with protein shakes. You prolly have protein in your urine and don't even know it. All that liquid protein is bad for your kidneys. I try to only drink protein shakes after workouts or before bed. I say this because I've had this problem before. Nothing beats real food
    5 out of my 6 meals are shakes but i do.add cottage cheese.. peanut butter.. oatmeal.. etc to them. My stomach condition really doesnt allow me to eat that much whole food. I grow like a weed.. 160g protein at most a day for me. Trace protein in my urine.. normal.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat

    Alright I'm just trying to help out guys. My doctor who explained to me why to much liquid protein is bad for you especially your kidneys didn't major in "bro science". Just for your information.
    I would love to see my nephrologist school your doc in this. Gram for gram.. when dealing with powders vs food.. i guess your kidneys are able to tell if this is powder protein or food. Seriously bro.. come on.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat
    Yes nice sources ! I know protein isn't bad for your kidneys. I'm saying to much liquid protein(synthesized protein) is bad for your kidneys. Which is why you pee it out
    Lmao.. you spill protein into urine after eating a large steak brah. So know steak must be deadly like powders if what your saying is correct.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post

    Post workout is when protein is the most important. Before bed casein shake isn't a necessity but its good to have one. Real food is always better than synthesized protein it's common sense. The only reason for whey protein powder is for post workout. Because it absorbs much quicker than real food. Which makes it perfect for your post workout because after your workout you have a 15 min anabolic window so you want to absorb as much protein as possible at that time. Otherwise if you drink shakes for most of your protein intake your just hurting your kidneys and peeing out most of the protein. Which is why REAL FOOD IS ALWAYS BETTER. Just google it.
    ehhhh. this advice is sub par at best, too many flaws to point out.
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  5. There's no comparison eating eggs/meat/etc triumph over protein shakes. Sure you feel fuller longer, and I believe protein shakes have their purpose, especially post workout and possibly in between meals. But there's no comparison IMO
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Riskyb
    There's no comparison eating eggs/meat/etc triumph over protein shakes. Sure you feel fuller longer, and I believe protein shakes have their purpose, especially post workout and possibly in between meals. But there's no comparison IMO
    Finally someone agrees with me. There is no comparison. Real food>protein powder.

  7. Maybe I just feel like playing devil's advocate but other than some of the points made so far what is it that really makes the "real" food better? Is real the new buzz word like clean used to be? Most protein powder sources are highly bio-available anyways..

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Maybe I just feel like playing devil's advocate but other than some of the points made so far what is it that really makes the "real" food better? Is real the new buzz word like clean used to be? Most protein powder sources are highly bio-available anyways..
    You are correct. Nothing makes real food better outside of satiety. However, variety is key. Overdoing, say, chicken breast, leaves your amino acid pool quite skewed towards certain AAs. The same applies to relying heavily on whey protein. The real point is don't overdo any one source (protein or whole food), as you may be short changing yourself.

  9. I wanna post a URL but its not letting me. This is a little bit of the article

    Answer: Real food is by far the most important component of a bodybuilding diet. There are so many nutrients that real food contains, many of which have not even been discovered yet, that you would be doing yourself a disservice by limiting the amount of real food that you are eating.

    In addition, real food has what is called a "thermic effect". A "thermic effect" is the impact that real food has in your metabolism. Because real food requires digestion, your body burns more calories in processing it; as opposed to shakes which are already pre-digested.

    Regardless of what the ads tell you, protein shakes do not offer any muscle building benefit, nor "secret muscle building ingredient", above and beyond what real food offers you. Yes, I have read the ads too with all sorts of speedy muscle building promises but I can assure you through experience that most of the ingredients advertised as miraculous have not been proven to work neither by science (even though most ads of this nature usually talk about research studies that usually do not exist) nor by actual results at the gym. These products however have been proven beyond the shadow of any scientific doubt to shrink the size of your wallet and bank account.

  10. So much broscience.......

  11. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post
    I wanna post a URL but its not letting me. This is a little bit of the article

    Answer: Real food is by far the most important component of a bodybuilding diet. There are so many nutrients that real food contains, many of which have not even been discovered yet, that you would be doing yourself a disservice by limiting the amount of real food that you are eating.

    In addition, real food has what is called a "thermic effect". A "thermic effect" is the impact that real food has in your metabolism. Because real food requires digestion, your body burns more calories in processing it; as opposed to shakes which are already pre-digested.

    Regardless of what the ads tell you, protein shakes do not offer any muscle building benefit, nor "secret muscle building ingredient", above and beyond what real food offers you. Yes, I have read the ads too with all sorts of speedy muscle building promises but I can assure you through experience that most of the ingredients advertised as miraculous have not been proven to work neither by science (even though most ads of this nature usually talk about research studies that usually do not exist) nor by actual results at the gym. These products however have been proven beyond the shadow of any scientific doubt to shrink the size of your wallet and bank account.
    Ok

    1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
    2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Ok

    1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
    2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.
    Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post
    Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.
    Who is saying to use protein powder as a permnant substitute for real food? I just re-read every post in this thread. Either you can't read or you can't comprehend the phrase "all things in moderation."

  14. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post

    Alright I've voiced my opinion enough. To many people against me thinking protein powder is as good as real food so I'm done. Its common sence real food>protein powder. Not trying to start a fight but damn I can't believe some people think they can get by using powder as a permanent substitute for real food. Just do a little research guys.
    Strong reading comprehension.

  15. Haha I'm cornered. Ok guys you win. Gang up on the new guy. Bottom line is if you drink more than 2 protein shakes a day your over doing it.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post
    Haha I'm cornered. Ok guys you win. Gang up on the new guy. Bottom line is if you drink more than 2 protein shakes a day your over doing it.
    You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick

    You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.
    This is a forum. A forum is
    A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
    The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post

    This is a forum. A forum is
    A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
    The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.
    And when your knowledge is shown to be incorrect by people with much more knowledge than you, you continue to pour out incorrect information without even considering the information presented to you.

    If you aren't here to learn why even sign in?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post
    This is a forum. A forum is
    A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
    The above are my ideas and views. Just trying to share my knowledge.
    Your "knowledge" is just repeating what everyone else here said (not to rely solely on protein shakes) and then insisting that we are all whey protein addicts and that we shouldn't be replacing food with shakes.

    Has anyone here disagreed with that point? No. Are you exhibiting symptoms of pre-clinical psychosis, i.e. thinking the world is against you and imagining that people are arguing with you when they are in fact in agreement with you? Yes.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick

    And when your knowledge is shown to be incorrect by people with much more knowledge than you, you continue to pour out incorrect information without even considering the information presented to you.

    If you aren't here to learn why even sign in?
    Haha oh my god man the title of this thread is protein shakes vs food source. Food always wins. What did they do back when they didn't have protein powder. Show me some scientific evidence that powder is as good as food. C'mon I've been trying to prove my point try to prove yours. Educate me bro.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    You are correct. Nothing makes real food better outside of satiety. However, variety is key. Overdoing, say, chicken breast, leaves your amino acid pool quite skewed towards certain AAs. The same applies to relying heavily on whey protein. The real point is don't overdo any one source (protein or whole food), as you may be short changing yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Ok

    1. Protein powder has an equivalent thermic effect to whole food, since the thermic effect is 99% chemical.
    2. Correct, no muscle-building benefit from one whole protein source over another in the context of a high protein diet.
    Point proven.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post

    Most doctors aren't educated on nutrition, so they will spout ridiculous nonsense like that
    His kidneys had to be effed up in the first place. I am a year away from my BS in nutrition and will get my RD shortly thereafter as well as applying to med school. Most Doctors don't know diddly about nutrition. Neither do most CPTs or coaches. There's a reason nutritionists take 3 yrs of nutrition/chemistry/biology courses
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  24. So agmatine used at 1g seems to be the normal "full" dose for people for great pumps now my question is if your on cycle you can store more glycogen so if I drink more water and up my agmatine would that create a bigger pump since I'm on cycle?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post

    Haha oh my god man the title of this thread is protein shakes vs food source. Food always wins. What did they do back when they didn't have protein powder. Show me some scientific evidence that powder is as good as food. C'mon I've been trying to prove my point try to prove yours. Educate me bro.
    Protein powder is useful for what it is designed for; giving protein.. Its not a meal replacement or substitute,its something extra to coincide with a diet.
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  26. Also I would like to point out that I agree that whole foods are better.

    But my main point of disagreement is you saying that protein shakes are damaging to the kidneys because they are somehow different than other forms of protein.

    Macronutrients are macronutrients, its the micronutrients that make the difference for me.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    You should write for Flex magazine. They love opinions with no scientific backing.
    Lol
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    So agmatine used at 1g seems to be the normal "full" dose for people for great pumps now my question is if your on cycle you can store more glycogen so if I drink more water and up my agmatine would that create a bigger pump since I'm on cycle?
    Let's find out
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick

    Point proven.
    Ok trying to learn not fight. So on # 2 your saying that the protein from real food like meat is just as good as the protein from powder?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post

    Ok trying to learn not fight. So on # 2 your saying that the protein from real food like meat is just as good as the protein from powder?
    Its all digested and absorbed the same.

    The body doesn't discriminate because of it being liquid and it is all absorbed equally.

    Ultimately it is milk protein, if it were any different from beef or chicken then the same argument could be made for the protein you gain from milk.
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