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  1. OP, have you looking into LiGHts Out? http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/i...t-56-caps.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmhager View Post
    Nighttime, November 29th

    1 didnt knock me out how I wanted so gonna try 2 tonight!

    Schedule:
    Light Out Taken @ 1210am
    Nighttime Shake @ 1240am
    In Bed @ 1245pm
    Asleep @ 105am


    Morning, November 30th

    Notes:
    Awoke @ 920
    Sleep Quality (1-10): 9, woke up feeling great!
    Wake up any during the night? 0
    Feeling upon Waking (groggy, rested, etc): Very rested and alert

    Total Hours of sleep:
    8 hrs and 15 min

    Notes: Definitely noticed deeper sleep last night. I felt rejuvenated when I awoke and felt pretty energized all day!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcelis323 View Post
    10/29


    10/31
    Ok so last night I took Lights Out after getting home pretty late, knocked me out in less than 5,what i really love is the way i feel at work right now, i don't feel as tired,i only slept 4 hrs but i feel like i slept 7,pretty energetic, im loving Lights Out, first day of training after 8 days off,about to start a new program,il keep you guys posted!
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  2. Thanks VT

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  3. Chris I've been having some sleep troubles myself mainly due to my nightshift schedule and a medication I was put on that had insomnia as a known side effect... I've since been off that medication and I'm trying to get back to my usual sleep schedule. Melatonin worked for a little bit (first night took it at 3g and slept great but I had really weird dreams... my wife stirred in the middle of the night and said that I was laughing in my sleep and she asked me what was so funny and I stopped laughing, paused for a few seconds, and then responded with "cartoons" without opening my eyes lol... 2nd night I took 5g and felt drunk tired, 3rd night I took 4g and still had trouble sleeping...) so the only thing I've been taking now sporadically is Benadryl 25mg before sleep. Haven't had troubles with this yet but I'm don't want to rely on it forever.

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  4. Supplement-wise, I like melatonin and theanine. Formula-wise, iForce Lights Out has been treating me VERY well, and Ergogenix Ergobolic helped me a bunch way back when.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Supplement-wise, I like melatonin and theanine. Formula-wise, iForce Lights Out has been treating me VERY well, and Ergogenix Ergobolic helped me a bunch way back when.
    Out of any sleep aid, what you use Coop?

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Out of any sleep aid, what you use Coop?

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    Melatonin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Have you looked at some natural ways to help get to sleep earlier? No TV in the bedroom, same time/routine for going to sleep each night (getting on a schedule), an hour or so before to wind down, turning the cell phone off?

    Not to say any of the supplement advice isn't good or necessary, but if I had the issue I'd research and start with the non try taking this answers if it was me.

    Also I realize that depending on what you do the schedule thing may or may not be possible.
    Agreed here for sure... Sleep hygiene is extremely important!

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  8. What I'm working on V

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  9. Unfortunately normal sleep patterns are non-existant for me, shift work and study tend to make this difficult. For that reason I tend to invest in some good sleep aids that help knock me out but with a restful sleep. I've used both G8 and lights out and would recommend both but for me G8 edges out in terms of better sleep. I would use both for different purposes; i.e. when I can get a normal sleep routine in between semesters then Lights out would be my go-to for enhanced recovery.

    G8 has my vote for you runner

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Unfortunately normal sleep patterns are non-existant for me, shift work and study tend to make this difficult. For that reason I tend to invest in some good sleep aids that help knock me out but with a restful sleep. I've used both G8 and lights out and would recommend both but for me G8 edges out in terms of better sleep. I would use both for different purposes; i.e. when I can get a normal sleep routine in between semesters then Lights out would be my go-to for enhanced recovery.

    G8 has my vote for you runner
    Careful, G8 is habit-forming. I actually think the profile is decent but won't be investing because they had to label GABA in a dubious way
  11. Re: help me sleep


    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    What I'm working on V

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    Its crazy all the environmental factors that cause disturbances... Artificial light even around like three hours prior to slumber can affect sleep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Unfortunately normal sleep patterns are non-existant for me, shift work and study tend to make this difficult. For that reason I tend to invest in some good sleep aids that help knock me out but with a restful sleep. I've used both G8 and lights out and would recommend both but for me G8 edges out in terms of better sleep. I would use both for different purposes; i.e. when I can get a normal sleep routine in between semesters then Lights out would be my go-to for enhanced recovery.

    G8 has my vote for you runner
    The only thing that worked for me when I worked on the ambulance was xanex. I feel your pain shift work is gnarly. I used to 36 hours in the front seat of an ambulance on some shifts... Straight


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  12. Some people I know have taken out there PC and TV from room and moved it downstairs...crazy...

    I cover my alarm and turn phone off

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Some people I know have taken out there PC and TV from room and moved it downstairs...crazy...

    I cover my alarm and turn phone off

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    My room is a cave lol literally zero light in there... My chick thought I was crazy at first but it helps a ton!

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Careful, G8 is habit-forming. I actually think the profile is decent but won't be investing because they had to label GABA in a dubious way
    The taste threw me off.. i thought it would be better but it made me sleep forever!

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post

    The taste threw me off.. i thought it would be better but it made me sleep forever!

    Mike
    I do agree with g8 sleep quality, but what will actually "tranqulize" me if you get me Mike hahah
    Horse tranq

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Thanks man.

    5.45am wake up
    6.45am Train
    8.30 work
    7.30pm dinner
    Bed between 11 - 11.30 ( reading up as I'm a student and work plus some family time )

    Ill look into f.lux

    I'm trying to deep breath as my relaxation 4in 4out and keep a nice room temp. Window open, shirt off, 18 degrees celsius.

    I have 500mg magnesium at dinner and 300mg zinc and 1 B complex +5g fish oil.

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    What time do you actually normally fall asleep? Even if right at 11:30 that's only a shade above 6 hours sleep.. understandable given your circumstances but still low. What are stress levels like? Sounds to me like there is mental chatter to be silenced. With such a stacked day I imagine you're trying to cram quite a bit of activity in that short window before bed. If stress is an issue, one more supp that I've found to be of some utility is phosphatidylserine.

    But again, relaxation techniques have been most effective. As well as music, you might look into binaural beats or isochronic tones. The current published evidence isn't particularly flattering, but I've found them to be of great assistance. Even if the beats themselves aren't producing the desired physiologic effect, the act of listening at least does reduce mental chatter so I get exactly what I want out of them. Worth a try for sure if you're scraping the barrel for solutions - plenty of free apps out there for iPhone and android.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Careful, G8 is habit-forming. I actually think the profile is decent but won't be investing because they had to label GABA in a dubious way
    Can you please elaborate on the GABA issue. Is the GABA responsible for the habit firming aspect. I have been taking a sleep aid that has 500 mg of GABA and certainly do no want to daily ingest something potentially causing negative feedback or tolerance and dependence.

  18. it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

    or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

    or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

    some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh

    smhs

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Careful, G8 is habit-forming. I actually think the profile is decent but won't be investing because they had to label GABA in a dubious way
    Can you please elaborate on the GABA issue. Is the GABA responsible for the habit firming aspect. I have been taking a sleep aid that has 500 mg of GABA and certainly do no want to daily ingest something potentially causing negative feedback or tolerance and dependence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Can you please elaborate on the GABA issue. Is the GABA responsible for the habit firming aspect. I have been taking a sleep aid that has 500 mg of GABA and certainly do no want to daily ingest something potentially causing negative feedback or tolerance and dependence.
    it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

    or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

    or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

    some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh

    smhs

  21. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

    or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

    or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

    some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh

    smhs
    I disagree. Phenibut addiction is a real danger. While it may be overblown to some degree, you'll find a lot of negative feedback especially when you consider the relatively small subset of consumers vs. melatonin or a staple like caffeine.

    Now I'm of the persuasion that phenibut should be available and people should be allowed to use it responsibly or abuse it, I don't care. What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

    I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    it's no more habit-forming than the preWO product you enjoy, with your stimulant in it

    or that melatonin you 'need' to fall asleep..

    or those nootropics that some companies make and their reps push all over the place..

    some things that are said by some in relation to other companies and their products..sheesh

    smhs
    Haha, not sure I understand your negative feedback that my question to Cooper about his GABA comment was "it's disrespectful how I carry myself."

    So I see if someone has a question about your product that might relate to a health concern you bash them. I, however, was not even asking about a Finaflex product.

    Coming from the days when I used to buy GHB over the counter, hot stuff and orange triad, I think it prudent not to just take anyone's advise as to the safety or efficacy of anything, especially if not a doctor. Nevertheless, I was interested in what Cooper was saying about GABA before you interjected and repeated the same safe as any pre workout. Not my question, but thanks for the information.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Haha, not sure I understand your negative feedback that my question to Cooper about his GABA comment was "it's disrespectful how I carry myself."

    So I see if someone has a question about your product that might relate to a health concern you bash them.

    Coming from the days when I used to buy GHB over the counter, hot stuff and orange triad, I think it prudent not to just take anyone's advise as to the safety or efficacy of anything, especially if not a doctor. Nevertheless, I was interested in what Cooper was saying about GABA before you interjected and repeated the same safe as any pre workout. Not my question, but thanks for the information.
    not at all
    you are only the second person i have ever negged on this site -- and the other was a Finflex-stalker

    you posted your question, i gave you an answer

    you then re-posted your question, and yes that is quite disrespectful

    i think we all can go thru threads we are subscribed to, and see what questions are there to be answered

    when you get an answer - and i don't care if you like mine or not, doesn't matter to me -- and then repost in flagrant view, you appear to be minimizing and yes disrespecting the poster who answered you

    my answer was a combination of disapproval of another rep commenting on our product line, and answering your question about GABA

    i stand by my neg

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Lutztenways View Post
    I disagree. Phenibut addiction is a real danger. While it may be overblown to some degree, you'll find a lot of negative feedback especially when you consider the relatively small subset of consumers vs. melatonin or a staple like caffeine.

    Now I'm of the persuasion that phenibut should be available and people should be allowed to use it responsibly or abuse it, I don't care. What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

    I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.
    Phenibut, haha. I see. That can create a nice little tolerance, addiction and withdrawal issue.

    What about GABA? I also heard it was pretty benign and does not really cross BBB. Is there anything about GABA that is potentially dangerous? Just curious what Cooper was getting at and maybe I just misunderstood.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    not at all
    you are only the second person i have ever negged on this site -- and the other was a Finflex-stalker

    you posted your question, i gave you an answer

    you then re-posted your question, and yes that is quite disrespectful

    i think we all can go thru threads we are subscribed to, and see what questions are there to be answered

    when you get an answer - and i don't care if you like mine or not, doesn't matter to me -- and then repost in flagrant view, you appear to be minimizing and yes disrespecting the poster who answered you

    my answer was a combination of disapproval of another rep commenting on our product line, and answering your question about GABA

    i stand by my neg
    Can Neg me all you want. I have no idea what your talking about discussing GABA. Lay off the roids and stimulates man, you gonna stroke.

    As far as Finaflex, I had never heard of your company before so I certainly am not stalking a company I have heard of. All in your mind bro.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Lutztenways View Post
    What I don't like is that I had to Google 4-amino-3-phenyl-butric acid! Picamilion and GABA are also labeled for a chemistry student, not your run of the mill consumer.

    I've taken a product similar to G8 before with macuna, GABA and phenibut and I quite enjoyed it. It recommended a 5 on 2 off scheme or maybe 2 on 1 off. G8 is recommended daily, albeit it does mention in the fine print: Do not use for more than 30 days without a 90 day break. I've never seen a company feel the need to put a warning like that on a product with designer stims, nootropics or melatonin. I don't know what Finaflex is trying to achieve with the funny labeling but they should be aware that to many of us it looks like an attempt at deception.
    we spell out the actual structure on our label..
    we have a contraindication warning on our label..
    and yet you claim we are being deceptive?
    please explain

    as for no warning label on nootropics: that seems deceptive, to me

    mental addiction is every bit as real a dnager as physical addiction
    i'm not so sure there is 'zero' physical addiction to those things anyway, tbh

  27. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Can Neg me all you want. I have no idea what your talking about discussing GABA. Lay off the roids and stimulates man, you gonna stroke.

    As far as Finaflex, I had never heard of your company before so I certainly am not stalking a company I have heard of. All in your mind bro.
    you reaffirm that my neg went to good use

    thank you for your personal insults, carry on

  28. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    you reaffirm that my neg went to good use

    thank you for your personal insults, carry on
    Ah ha, I see the repost above at 9:02 and 9:25 in question to Cooper about GABA in the NIght Rest product I take. Haha, that was an iPhone gliche and had nothing to do with you or your response . . .

  29. 500mcg-1mg of Melatonin could be very useful.

    I have also enjoyed Poseidon NT on a few occasions. Didn't really initiate sleep for me, but the sleep I did get was much deeper and restful.

  30. All I can say is all the new sleep supplements are very interesting, and the better ones seem to be a combination of ALL of the latest
    sleep ingredients, to cover all bases.

    My order of MAN REM PM and Iforce Lights-out comes in today, so I will try one tonight. After years of neglect, the supplement industry
    is finally paying attention to sleep health. Some products work on fat, control cortisol, adrenal system, testosterone, metabolic rate,
    growth hormone release etc. I want to try Finalflex G8 but it's pretty expensive for only 20 servings, but I did hear that it is really good.


    I am going to try the MAN REM PM tonight and will let you know what I think.
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