I recently ran a bottle of each. Followed the recommended dosing protocols, ate well, trained consistently and yet noticed no significant changes from this stack. Before people jump in and tell me I was expecting "steroid like" results, I most certainly wasn't, but I was expecting something. I truly wanted this product to work and felt positive enough about it to fork out the ridiculous shipping charges to Australia. I know some sups work for some and not others, but I found it strange that my brother in law also ran this stack with me and noticed nothing. I charged him nothing for it, we have very different body shapes and diets, but similar training regimes. I did not advise him of what to expect from the stack so when I quizzed him at the end of week 3 as to what his experiences were there was no preconceived notion of what he "should" be feeling. He reported no change in appetite, libido, strength, body composition and both of us even had some well below par workouts on it. I myself also had no noticeable effects except for 3 episodes of prolonged headaches which I am lead to believe is due to the. To say I am disappointed would be an understatement. Dropping that much cash for 3 headaches after so much hype has really left me down. I am not anti PES and currently have two tubs of in my cupboard that I have just started on and I'm hoping it at least works (must say the taste is great for a sup). I have previously tried a wide range of test boosters etc (no prohormones or steroids) and have only had significant results off V1 (forskolin made me poop liquid fury for a month though) and APE. I have also started taking 95% forskolin with the Alphamine and have noticed a return to loose stools at 2 caps per day (none on Alphamine alone). This leads me to believe that perhaps this ingredient is underdosed in as I experienced nothing like this.