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    Now what about taking just 1 scoop of Jack 3d Micro as opposed to stacking Hemavol or Citrulline and Stim Free Focus XT since the Jack 3d only has about 80 mg (est) caffeine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Now what about taking just 1 scoop of Jack 3d Micro as opposed to stacking Hemavol or Citrulline and Stim Free Focus XT since the Jack 3d only has about 80 mg (est) caffeine
    1 scoop micro & 1 scoop Hemavol is awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    1 scoop micro & 1 scoop Hemavol is awesome!
    So would that eliminate the need for the Focus XT since I'd be getting the focus ingredients from the Micro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post

    So would that eliminate the need for the Focus XT since I'd be getting the focus ingredients from the Micro?
    Yes, go with one or the other (focus-XT or micro) no need to combine 2 caffeinated products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Yes, go with one or the other (focus-XT or micro) no need to combine 2 caffeinated products.
    sweet, yeah, i dont think 80 mg will affect me much since I was doing close to 600 mg of caffeine a day a week ago...no need to go completely cold turkey
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    I love agmatine. But I haven't tried citrulline in the doses most here are using and recommending. I may have to do that.
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    Try out Formutech Endurance plus agmatine or swoll-n and some extra beta alanine. That makes a kickass stim free pre that will focus on pumps and endurance.

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    IMO anything with "Vol" in it is the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWeaver View Post
    IMO anything with "Vol" in it is the way to go.
    Volatile?
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    Volatile is a great pre workout that doe not stim you out, however it does mave a min amount of stims.

    I would highly reccomend Endurance BCAA Plus and add agmatine. I use Endurance Intra workout with Volatile pre. I hate the stimmed feeling, thats why I LOVE Volatile. If you dont want a stimmed feeling but dont mind a minimum amount of energy try Volatile. The pumps are amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    Volatile?
    And HermaVol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWeaver View Post

    And HermaVol
    I bet that would stack really nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    I bet that would stack really nice
    It's awesome, great energy but not cracked out. I add a little extra beta alanine and 20g of waxy maze. I switch out between Volatile and Craze but Hermavol is a stable of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWeaver View Post

    It's awesome, great energy but not cracked out. I add a little extra beta alanine and 20g of waxy maze. I switch out between Volatile and Craze but Hermavol is a stable of mine.
    Now craze gets me feeling pretty cracked out. The og with 1,3 in it
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    Now craze gets me feeling pretty cracked out. The og with 1,3 in it
    Craze never had 1,3 in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post

    Craze never had 1,3 in it

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    Craze just had a bunch of different forms of PEA, never DMAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post

    Craze just had a bunch of different forms of PEA, never DMAA
    My mistake! Craze still tweaked me out a bit too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    My mistake! Craze still tweaked me out a bit too much
    Theres like 4 different forms of Phenylethylamine in it, thats why and in combination with caffeine it can get pretty crazy
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    So I had some supps in stock at my house so I only had to buy a couple things, so my final stack is Hemavol, Jack3d Micro, Purple Wraath, Modern BCAA (intra)
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    My favorite stim free stack right now is hemavol + compete.. I love the pumps and fullness hemavol gives, but I love compete mainly due to flavor haha but it allows me to train so much longer and harder without burning out.. and decreases doms. Also, I eliminate my bcaa's since it contains whey protein hydrolysate so i save money..

    Before these two though, I've never really used non-stims.. i've always been a stim guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    My favorite stim free stack right now is hemavol + compete.. I love the pumps and fullness hemavol gives, but I love compete mainly due to flavor haha but it allows me to train so much longer and harder without burning out.. and decreases doms. Also, I eliminate my bcaa's since it contains whey protein hydrolysate so i save money..

    Before these two though, I've never really used non-stims.. i've always been a stim guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    1 scoop Hemavol + 1 scoop Compete preworkout
    1 scoop Compete Intraworkout....


    life will never be the same!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Ultima or Stim free Focus xt and SNS Agmatine
    This. Really like the agmatine preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post

    This. Really like the agmatine preworkout
    Should add in PLCAR for extra boost. Tasty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Stim free focus xt + swoll-n
    I'm with ya on the Swoll-n big man, never had focus xt nut heard good things. Supp-d works wonders imo. But the new Supp-d will have added stim. But I'm a stim junky by nature so I'm game for it very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Should add in PLCAR for extra boost. Tasty

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    PLCAR is definitely a very underrated product in our lineup. That and glucuronolactone seem to get little talk but provide me with some damn good stim-free energy
    I haven't used SNS PLCAR or glucuronolactone, but I really enjoyed using both of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    I haven't used SNS PLCAR or glucuronolactone, but I really enjoyed using both of these.

    Is it still on sale on nutra?
    Looks like it is still discounted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Adding purple wraath to anything just gives this boost that I can't quite describe!! Oh and it has a TON of Beta Alanine in it!! FYI bros, stack it with White flood, and drink a serving of both down all at once! You'll thank me!!
    LOL! White flood is NOT stim free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob94hawk View Post

    LOL! White flood is NOT stim free.
    I know, thats what I use when im not stim-free/low stim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob94hawk View Post
    LOL! White flood is NOT stim free.
    We do offer White BLOOD, which is stim free... people commonly get the two mixed up
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    Quick question, what makes Craze so good? Ton of caffeine? Good profile? I have to admit, I see nothing in it that is cutting edge or even that
    good, why is it so popular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zv3 View Post
    Quick question, what makes Craze so good? Ton of caffeine? Good profile? I have to admit, I see nothing in it that is cutting edge or even that
    good, why is it so popular?
    There is only about 80mg of Caffeine per scoop. The biggest factor is the Dendrobex ( or Dendrobium Extract)within it. I love the focus this ingredient gives (as do many others).
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    Still liking self made stim free.

    Endurance BCAA plus (1scoop)
    1g extra BA
    And mix with test powder.

    That's my fasted cardio pre.
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