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    IS OXY ELITE PRO STILL TOP FAT BURNER


    Hey quick question maybe it's been asked maybe its been asked maybe not...but Ive been working out for about three years now started at 378 now I'm weighing about 240 I took oep a year ago and had great results but stop taking it after a couple months just because I was told not to run it for longer then 8 weeks I'm really trying to drop these last 40 lbs before spring gets here my diet is pretty good...just wondering is oep as good as it was in the past or is there a better/stronger option...thanks guys

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    IMO nothing beats a caloric deficit and EC stack... nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    IMO nothing beats a caloric deficit and EC stack... nothing.
    This with alpha-yohimbine and Reduce XT = winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    This with alpha-yohimbine and Reduce XT = winning.
    Never done EC so if that may be top tier but can't comment. Would love it use it with reduce XT

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This with alpha-yohimbine and Reduce XT = winning.
    MrCooper, would you say in your opinion this is the best fat burning stack out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_2012 View Post
    Hey quick question maybe it's been asked maybe its been asked maybe not...but Ive been working out for about three years now started at 378 now I'm weighing about 240 I took oep a year ago and had great results but stop taking it after a couple months just because I was told not to run it for longer then 8 weeks I'm really trying to drop these last 40 lbs before spring gets here my diet is pretty good...just wondering is oep as good as it was in the past or is there a better/stronger option...thanks guys
    depends what forum you post on....

    im loving alphamine and a really strict diet + swimming
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post

    depends what forum you post on....

    im loving alphamine and a really strict diet + swimming
    I concur with this. OEP just never agreed with me, and i feel that true beta agonists (like higenamine in Alphamine) are better for fat loss than 1,3dmaa.

    1,3 does give most great appetite suppression though.
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    Dexaprine is awesome.

    Alphamine is awesome.

    E/C stack is still my personal king if I had to pick just one.

    Never tried OEP actually (I know where have I been).
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    Ec is banned in AU, otherwise Id never even look at othet fat burners!
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    MrCooper, would you say in your opinion this is the best fat burning stack out there?
    OTC? I'd go with EC + Decimate + Extra RKs during fasting periods and Reduce XT + Green Coffee Bean Extract during feeding periods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Ec is banned in AU, otherwise Id never even look at othet fat burners!
    Indeed.sucks here

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    OTC? I'd go with EC + Decimate + Extra RKs during fasting periods and Reduce XT + Green Coffee Bean Extract during feeding periods.
    That stack looks good to me. Very similar to what I will run for an upcoming log. I might sprinkle some DCP and TTA-500 in there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    OTC? I'd go with EC + Decimate + Extra RKs during fasting periods and Reduce XT + Green Coffee Bean Extract during feeding periods.
    Thank you sir! Only question, wouldn't Reduce XT be beneficial during the fasting period to attenuate the cortisol response given the EC?
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    Great stack, I can't do Decimate (I have a literally almost full bottle) because of the Forskoliin...any substitutes?

    EDIT: Sorry that was to Cooper's suggestion..
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    I like the "sprinlke"of TTA idea. It's a good side arm to any fat loss stack. That and Lipotrophin-PM, i keep it in year round just for recovery purposes.

    OEP killed my libido and made me sweat like crazy while sitting at work. No thanks. ECA is a winner always. Cheap, effective, proven. I like HyperT2 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Thank you sir! Only question, wouldn't Reduce XT be beneficial during the fasting period to attenuate the cortisol response given the EC?
    No. Cortisol is a complex beast, but the bottom line is that you WANT cortisol to rise following EC use, as cortisol stimulates lipolysis, and blunting this rise would limit your fat loss potential.

    Conversely, if you limit cortisol while eating (a period in which lipolysis is halted anyway), you prevent pre-adipocyte differentiation and fat gain.

    So in other words, by dosing Reduce XT in this fashion, you maximize fat loss during fasted periods and minimize fat gain during fed periods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_2012 View Post
    Hey quick question maybe it's been asked maybe its been asked maybe not...but Ive been working out for about three years now started at 378 now I'm weighing about 240 I took oep a year ago and had great results but stop taking it after a couple months just because I was told not to run it for longer then 8 weeks I'm really trying to drop these last 40 lbs before spring gets here my diet is pretty good...just wondering is oep as good as it was in the past or is there a better/stronger option...thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Dexaprine has never wronged me. I'm enjoying alphamine as well right now. But you just can't beat Dexaprine, bottle lasts for 2 months easily.
    Agreed.. love it!! TTA and ReduceXT are my favorite stackers for it! I usually alternate the two!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No. Cortisol is a complex beast, but the bottom line is that you WANT cortisol to rise following EC use, as cortisol stimulates lipolysis, and blunting this rise would limit your fat loss potential.

    Conversely, if you limit cortisol while eating (a period in which lipolysis is halted anyway), you prevent pre-adipocyte differentiation and fat gain.

    So in other words, by dosing Reduce XT in this fashion, you maximize fat loss during fasted periods and minimize fat gain during fed periods.

    You Sir are a G!! I've been in following the opposite protocol up until now....trying negate cortisol whilst on a fast. This is going to be my next cutting stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No. Cortisol is a complex beast, but the bottom line is that you WANT cortisol to rise following EC use, as cortisol stimulates lipolysis, and blunting this rise would limit your fat loss potential.

    Conversely, if you limit cortisol while eating (a period in which lipolysis is halted anyway), you prevent pre-adipocyte differentiation and fat gain.

    So in other words, by dosing Reduce XT in this fashion, you maximize fat loss during fasted periods and minimize fat gain during fed periods.
    Well, Bollocks...

    I do IF and workout in the mornings, and would always take Erase in the middle of the morning (during my fasted period) as well as Vitamin C... Guess that was a backfire on my behalf, will move them to after meals only.

    How about Forsokli, should I also avoid that on an empty stomach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Well, Bollocks...

    I do IF and workout in the mornings, and would always take Erase in the middle of the morning (during my fasted period) as well as Vitamin C... Guess that was a backfire on my behalf, will move them to after meals only.

    How about Forsokli, should I also avoid that on an empty stomach?
    Erase is only metabolized to a very small amount of 7-keto, and vitamin C does not suppress cortisol unless you are chronically overtrained or engaging in immmune-system-damaging endurance work. So you're still fine taking both. Plus, Erase is best taken on an empty stomach anyway.

    Forskolin is a stimulator of lipolysis but its effects are subchronic so timing isn't a huge deal, though you may note an increase in perceived energy if taken with caffeine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Erase is only metabolized to a very small amount of 7-keto, and vitamin C does not suppress cortisol unless you are chronically overtrained or engaging in immmune-system-damaging endurance work. So you're still fine taking both. Plus, Erase is best taken on an empty stomach anyway.

    Forskolin is a stimulator of lipolysis but its effects are subchronic so timing isn't a huge deal, though you may note an increase in perceived energy if taken with caffeine.
    Thanks! Guess will continue; right now we are talking about 1 erase in the morning and then 3g of Vit C middle of the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Thanks! Guess will continue; right now we are talking about 1 erase in the morning and then 3g of Vit C middle of the morning.
    3g is almost certainly pro-oxidant/bad for your health and goals. Stick to 500mg in a single bolus, maximum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    3g is almost certainly pro-oxidant/bad for your health and goals. Stick to 500mg in a single bolus, maximum.
    I thought that it was only shown to be a pro-oxidant in vitro? And in vivo it wasn't thought to be pro-oxidant? Just what i've been taught.

    Still agree on the seperating dosgaes; due to half life + limited storage capacity for water solubles
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    The new oxyelite pro has no DMAA because of some studies that said it's unsafe or whatnot.
    If I want to bulk down I usually take the original Oxyelite Pro works like a charm!

    Not too sure about the new one but look I know it would definitely help as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyanabolic View Post
    The new oxyelite pro has no DMAA because of some studies that said it's unsafe or whatnot.
    If I want to bulk down I usually take the original Oxyelite Pro works like a charm!

    Not too sure about the new one but look I know it would definitely help as well.

    oxyelite-pro.com/new-formula

    Looks pretty cool to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I thought that it was only shown to be a pro-oxidant in vitro? And in vivo it wasn't thought to be pro-oxidant? Just what i've been taught.

    Still agree on the seperating dosgaes; due to half life + limited storage capacity for water solubles
    With antioxidants, it's all dose-dependent. 3g is pretty damn extreme.
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    fatboy; stll on that mission!!
    oxy elite didnt do shyt for me. i think i returned the bottle half way. alot of way more effective alternatives out there but if u want good results and fast listen to this guy.

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    IMO nothing beats a caloric deficit and EC stack... nothing.
    and going keto is a real killer
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