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    I honestly think it's cheaper just to go for ADHD stimulant drugs when YOU NEED IT.

    All this nootropic studies don't show significant effects.. All they do is "TRY" to mimick the effects of stimulants for ADHD but won't happen..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Any thoughts/experiences with oxytocin & Centrophenoxine?
    Also
    Noopept?

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    I'm going to begin a course in statistics and data analysis. Any particular compounds that could be of benefit when studying these subjects? I already has some focus xt.
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    would you guys recommend phenylracetam (lgi n-pept ) to an 18 year old ?
    some alternatives ?
    im currently on huperzine and focus xt
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    I wouldn't recommend any noots to an 18yo.
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    so u think that i shouldnt take hup and focus xt as well ??
    could you give me a medical explanation ?
    sry for my bad english - im from europe
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    Ditto. This may seem like cheesy parental advice, but your brain is still in the process of wiring itself in your teen years (and this is backed by science). The teen brain doesn't have set neurological pathways yet so altering this process may not be good.
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    hell i wouldn't advise half these kids that are using this stuff in hs/college and the like, and the crazy combinations/dosages that are being spewed around like candy..

    doesn't stop kids (like my brother, for example) from abusing the likes of adderall for cramming study sessions either

    but what do i know? i'm just an old man
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    Agreed. So many unknowns even for adults, but add in the general neurological plasticity of adolescents and it definitely raises an eyebrow. Basically, you're taking the "try it and hope for the best" practice and upping the ante.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    hell i wouldn't advise half these kids that are using this stuff in hs/college and the like, and the crazy combinations/dosages that are being spewed around like candy..

    doesn't stop kids (like my brother, for example) from abusing the likes of adderall for cramming study sessions either

    but what do i know? i'm just an old man
    Well, adderall has decent evidence for neurotoxicity. Conversely, most true nootropics are neuroprotective and being researched for the treatment of neurodegeneration.
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    Like the others, I hate coming across as the old man, but it's just experience and research that leads me to think the way I do about a lot of things. That being said, I used to love taking hallucinogens I was 17-22, so that was my noot back then. I absolutely understand the need for enlightenment and expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    That being said, I used to love taking hallucinogens I was 17-22, so that was my noot back then.
    LOL

    er, wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
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    Noopept?
    This is good. But needs to be stacked
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    Centro, Picamilion, and Pramiracetam have been treating me particularly well lately.

    Centro seems to have all the benefits of dmae, plus some additional brain energy (I get a mild stim like effect) and when I add 200 mg of pica + 150-250 mg of prami I am feeling cool, calm, and motivated. Also seems to prolong the effect of stimulants such as caffeine, dmaa, etc (Don't notice a crash; feel the effect much longer)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobtail View Post
    NUVIGIL
    It's used to treat narcolepsy but is the best. Tell your doc you fall asleep during the day and you need it.
    I take this and yes i agree. Tell the doc you work 3rd shift and need it for " shift work sleep disorder"

    Add ephedrine for a more pronounced effect
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    I love when this thread is bumped. major major career altering test coming up feb 21st. Massive studying begins monday
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    Such an interesting topic. All my noot experimentation has been for career growth and it has helped greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sina View Post
    I honestly think it's cheaper just to go for ADHD stimulant drugs when YOU NEED IT.All this nootropic studies don't show significant effects.. All they do is "TRY" to mimick the effects of stimulants for ADHD but won't happen..
    ADHD medications actually reduce cognitive function in those who don't need them, in addition to being both addictive and neurotoxic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ADHD medications actually reduce cognitive function in those who don't need them, in addition to being both addictive and neurotoxic.
    wish more ppl understood this
    typically (again) it's the kids who "heard" it's the thing to do, and don't have a clue
    target for this audience is 17-22yr olds
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ADHD medications actually reduce cognitive function in those who don't need them, in addition to being both addictive and neurotoxic.
    x2

    Whenever I hear the line of thinking about ADHD drugs, I just equate it to saying if you want to think better, take amphetamines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Such an interesting topic. All my noot experimentation has been for career growth and it has helped greatly.
    like wise 2 years ago I made rank in the military that takes on average 13 years to make and I made it at 6, spent months studying and downing containers of focus XT lol
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    I have been using Demiurge for about a week now, I started the first day at 50mg. I always start off low dose and work my way up. I upped it the next day to 100, next day 150,next 200. The effects for me personally were very little, this morning I took my sccop of Focus-XT and then took 200mg of Demi and can really tell a difference between just taking Focus alone. I feel clear headed, calm, and overall better mood. I have tried the Ani/choline and had GREAT results for about month and then that combo seemed to fade as far as effects go, I couldnt tell the difference from taking it or not, not sure why this happened. My Doc, is really into noots and we will start soon on getting me off Prozac and Klonipin and see how that goes. I have become very apathetic and foggy minded in the last couple of years, so I,m ready to try something else....
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    Right on, Ripd. Look into methylfolate, methylcobalamin and p5p if you haven't already. These are now staples for me and keep some of the depression and cloudiness at bay. I'm trying to conserve my supply of Ani and not use it too steadily as I worry about the effects fading. I save it for high stress/high responsibility times. I also worry that Ani will get banned for good. Amazon stopped selling it already.
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    I spoke with a couple of the Ani suppliers that had to stop selling on Amazon and a couple of them are selling their stock and then they are out. Apparently, with this being a prescription noot outside of the USA, Amazon didn't want to be involved with selling it OTC. Needless to say, a big chunk of their business is overseas where it can't be obtained, so stopping this will hurt business a lot. Plus, there seems to be some uncertainty on how racetams are going to be looked at moving forward. It's well recognized that Aniracetam is a powerful noot, and it does seem that it will one of the first to get hit if they do any regulations.

    I stocked up on 2 years worth, just in case. Shelf life is until 2015.
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    Good point about the Ani., I will order today and definitely order in bulk.... Has anyone tried the Demiurge and Ani combo, wonder what that would be like ????


    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I spoke with a couple of the Ani suppliers that had to stop selling on Amazon and a couple of them are selling their stock and then they are out. Apparently, with this being a prescription noot outside of the USA, Amazon didn't want to be involved with selling it OTC. Needless to say, a big chunk of their business is overseas where it can't be obtained, so stopping this will hurt business a lot. Plus, there seems to be some uncertainty on how racetams are going to be looked at moving forward. It's well recognized that Aniracetam is a powerful noot, and it does seem that it will one of the first to get hit if they do any regulations.

    I stocked up on 2 years worth, just in case. Shelf life is until 2015.
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    I would assume prami and phenyl are more potent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    Good point about the Ani., I will order today and definitely order in bulk.... Has anyone tried the Demiurge and Ani combo, wonder what that would be like ????

    A bit too strong for me. Found it very hard to pin down the proper choline dose to avoid headaches. Potent combo though.
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    I heard demiurge isn't safe or healthy like severe toxic?

    But how strong was it and what dose but yes choline is needed
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    i am taking noopept solo for 4 days now and dont notice much to be frank. perhaps i have to add a cholin source to that?
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    Interesting^. Noopept apparently I read wasn't effectively. I would think it's wise to take Nootropics 1 by 1. To see what is potent and what really doesn't work.. I'll try out

    ~ Demiurge and see what happens apparently 100mg - 200mg ED is the dosage that does the trick...
    I also hear Choline isn't really needed..

    A friend recommended these.

    1. Noopept + Cererbrolysine + Methylene Blue
    2. " High Dose Uridine( 100mg TAU, 600mg UMP) and low dose piracetam(200mg) is the best combo Ive ever had. Gaba blockers are also good only in low doses though. "

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    I've never takin Ani. it really is being yanked huh. I should grab some. I've noticed that switching to 5 on 2 off mix of my noots lately that my recall is been much better than expected. Some days I am still facing minor irritability, like temper flare ups. But for the most part recall info in study sessions has been almost photographic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    I've never takin Ani. it really is being yanked huh. I should grab some. I've noticed that switching to 5 on 2 off mix of my noots lately that my recall is been much better than expected. Some days I am still facing minor irritability, like temper flare ups. But for the most part recall info in study sessions has been almost photographic

    The irritability factor is big for me and so far, Ani is about the only one that has a calm feel to it. The memory part is not as dramatic as other racetams though. It's more of "calm, cool, collected so I can think well" kinda thing, whereas Noopept or phenylpiracetam are more "F-yeah, get out of my way!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    The irritability factor is big for me and so far, Ani is about the only one that has a calm feel to it. The memory part is not as dramatic as other racetams though. It's more of "calm, cool, collected so I can think well" kinda thing, whereas Noopept or phenylpiracetam are more "F-yeah, get out of my way!".
    LOL, exactly.

    I can't say if Ani is being yanked, I just know that it will be harder to find soon. We all know that these things tend to run in cycles and usually make a comeback. It's not like other supplements that have been pulled because they are dangerous, there just seems to be a crackdown because it is a prescription in other parts of the world, so maybe they are making it more difficult to purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    The irritability factor is big for me and so far, Ani is about the only one that has a calm feel to it. The memory part is not as dramatic as other racetams though. It's more of "calm, cool, collected so I can think well" kinda thing, whereas Noopept or phenylpiracetam are more "F-yeah, get out of my way!".
    What's your normal dose? And what is your preferred choline source?
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    I don't seem to need as much Ani as most people to get a good response. I usually take 350 mg in the morning with fish oil and Dr's Best Brain Enhancers which has 300mg of Alpha-GPC and 100 mg phosphatidyl serine.

    I usually only take a second dose later in the day if I am doing data entry or report writing, otherwise one dose works well for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Creatine has also shown to help with brain boosting

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    I believe that was only in vegetarians, who would tend to have a diet deficient in creatine. I doubt it would do anything for your typical AM user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classic34 View Post
    I believe that was only in vegetarians, who would tend to have a diet deficient in creatine. I doubt it would do anything for your typical AM user.
    It does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    I've never takin Ani. it really is being yanked huh. I should grab some. I've noticed that switching to 5 on 2 off mix of my noots lately that my recall is been much better than expected. Some days I am still facing minor irritability, like temper flare ups. But for the most part recall info in study sessions has been almost photographic
    What noots are you using?
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    whats a good choline source btw?
  

  
 

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