- 12-20-2012, 11:14 AM
I just have to say like everyone else-Focus XT
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- 01-02-2013, 03:31 AM
01-02-2013, 09:18 AM
I notice that I rarely see anyone mentioning phosphatidyl serine in most of the noot or smart drug threads. I had tremendous success years ago when I used to supplement with it. I also found that it helped greatly with anxiety. The only reason I stopped using it was because of the price, as it gets to be expensive running 200-300mg a day.
Anyone using this?
01-02-2013, 10:44 AM
01-02-2013, 12:13 PM
there seems to be inconclusive stance on the cognitive effects - altho for younger ppl it may help enhance mood.
PS has some benefits for exercise as well.
some intersting info on S-PS..
Memory and cognition
Early studies of phosphatidylserine distilled the chemical from bovine brain. Modern studies and commercially available products are made from soybeans, because of concerns about mad cow disease. The fatty acids attached to the serine in the soy product are not identical to those in the bovine product, which is also impure.
Preliminary studies in rats indicate that the soy product is at least as effective as that of bovine origin.
Later clinical trials in humans found that "a daily supplement of S-PS (soybean derived PS) does not affect memory or other cognitive functions in older individuals with memory complaints."
On May 13, 2003, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration stated "based on its evaluation of the totality of the publicly available scientific evidence, the agency concludes that there is not significant scientific agreement among qualified experts that a relationship exists between phosphatidylserine and reduced risk of dementia or cognitive dysfunction." FDA also stated "of the 10 intervention studies that formed the basis of FDA's evaluation, all were seriously flawed or limited in their reliability in one or more ways." It concludes that "most of the evidence does not support a relationship between phosphatidylserine and reduced risk of dementia or cognitive dysfunction, and that the evidence that does support such a relationship is very limited and preliminary."
FDA gave "qualified health claim" status to phosphatidylserine, stating that, "Consumption of phosphatidylserine may reduce the risk of dementia in the elderly" and "Consumption of phosphatidylserine may reduce the risk of cognitive dysfunction in the elderly."
Phosphatidylserine has been demonstrated to speed up recovery, prevent muscle soreness, improve well-being, and might possess ergogenic properties in athletes involved in cycling, weight training and endurance running. Soy-PS, in a dose dependent manner (400 mg), has been reported to be an effective supplement for combating exercise-induced stress by blunting the exercise-induced increase in cortisol levels. PS supplementation promotes a desirable hormonal balance for athletes and might attenuate the physiological deterioration that accompanies overtraining and/or overstretching. In recent studies, PS has been shown to enhance mood in a cohort of young people during mental stress and to improve accuracy during tee-off by increasing the stress resistance of golfers.
01-02-2013, 01:00 PM
01-02-2013, 05:05 PM
Where did you find it in a powder?!?! It's so very expensive I rarely use it if im on a budget, but I have found some products with minimal amounts of the amine derivative and it still kinda does the trick.
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01-02-2013, 05:53 PM
01-02-2013, 07:16 PM
That is actually what I just ordered. It's a great deal when you get to pricing this out. I'm going to start this again and see how it goes and how it may work with Bacopa, AGPC, and Ani.
01-03-2013, 07:25 PM
Anyone using noopept or dimiurge get moody on it?
I alternate between these 2 EOD never stacked together usually I take either or with Choline
but I find some days it makes me moody as hell
I am a 6 yr off and on fan of Focus XT and current cycle between caff free focus xt noopept and dimurge never back to back studying for promotion this yr
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01-03-2013, 09:00 PM
01-03-2013, 11:56 PM
Noopept made me rather intense. Sharp as a tack, but no fun to be around.
Demiurge, not as bad. Mostly good alertness.
01-04-2013, 10:30 AM
Well, 4 days in on PS and the familiar feeling is back. Complete body calm when I take it in the morning. I usually wake up with some anxiety and my heart going a little faster but this sheds that in about 30min. I remember that I have to keep it at about 100-200mg a day because it makes me lazy if I take high doses.
I do think that there will be synergy with Ani because a calm body will help a calm mind and allow for clearer thinking.
01-04-2013, 12:25 PM
01-05-2013, 11:02 PM
If you're wanting to dabble into nootropics I advise keeping it simple.
3 times daily and youll wake up brains you never knew you had.
From experience, I have taken all racetams except pramiracetam, huperzine, alcar, dmaa, dmae, choline bitartrate, vinpocetine, sam-e, l-dopa, 5htp, GABA, picamilon, taurine, penibut, pqq, carnosine, every adaptogen there is, gout-kola, pea. Been prescribed adderall, klonopin, remeron, Wellbutrin, Ativan and buspar.
My point in all of this, this is my first post in years.... Things were so simple for me in my lifting days which have been long gone for a while. In 2010 I dabbled into so many nootropics that it lead to major depression which I'm still fighting. Keeping it simple, hitting the gym 5-6 times per week, taking anabolics and a healthy diet did more for me than any nootropic or drug could ever hold a candle to. The thing with nootropics is, being a genius with a memory like you've never had before isn't really a good thing, it takes a lot of fun out of life. The other issue is most nootropics favor enhancing Acetylcholine, the memory neurotransmitter. At first it's amazing as you wake up parts of your brain that have been sleeping your whole life. The problem becomes when the most important neurotransmitter in life, dopamine, starts dwindling as a result of boosting acetylcholine. They have sort of an antagonistic relationship with each other, dopamine goes up, acetylcholine goes down and vise versa. I've experienced first hand per-Parkinson's symptoms from experimenting with so many nootropics, and I'm only 27. The 2 that I mentioned are hands down the best I've used for all around use, motivation, memory, creativity...and gpc benefits bodybuilders by being a potent growth hormone releaser. Aniracetam is as close to egalitarian adderall as you'll find when it comes to focus and creativity, trust me I've been on Addy for 2 years, Aniracetam is a close second.
If you have any questions about nootropics or smart drugs feel free to pm me.
01-06-2013, 11:05 AM
01-06-2013, 12:24 PM
I completely second your thoughts and empathize with them. I came to the noot and supplement table from the other end..I battled chronic depression prior to supplements and fitness. I've tried nearly every supplement combo out there trying to perfect my state of mind and its function. Ani/GPC are among the best I have found. I agree that one should exercise caution with all noots as they can, and have, upend the apple cart. Neurotransmitter balance is a very fickle thing and basically trying to manipulate it is a hit or miss proposition.
01-06-2013, 12:40 PM
I too agree with this. However, when you find the noot combo that works best for you, it is a cool feeling to walk into any room feeling like the brightest and most confident person in there.
01-07-2013, 05:05 PM
There's that old saying "Knowledge is power".... I have to slightly disagree in stating "knowledge is POTENTIAL power". One can have all of the knowledge in the world but if it's not served for a meaningful purpose, it's as good as useless. Nootropics certainly increased my intelligence more than I ever thought possible and I've learned ore in the last 2 years than my first 25 alive; unfortunately having the intellect that certain nootropics can create causes life to be less enjoyable because before taking any action on anything, there are more analytical thoughts going through your mind and it blunts the original excitement when the action first made itself known. Hope this makes sense. Looking at it from a neurotransmitter point of view, dopamine is what creates the meaning to live, thrive, succeed and remain resilient as life throws you curve balls. Enhancing it through CERTAIN nootropics, nutritional approaches, and sometimes medication is the most important thing in th world for anyone IMO. there's no worse feeling in the world than waking up wishing you hadn't, that's low dopamine folks. When you get up, do 45 minutes of cardio followed by an hour in the gym hitting the iron in preparation for your upcoming competition, that's HIGH dopamine at its finest. Both Aniracetam and Alpha-GPC have pro-dopamanergic properties thus my reasoning for the recommendation. GPC enhances GABA release, growth hormone and facilitates an increase in dopamine release and an increased level of DOPAC, frankly reminds me of the mechanism of action of GHB without the euphoria. Aniracetam has actions on dopamine D2 receptors, serotonin 5ht2a receptors as well as nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Anyone wanting to step into nootropics, open up their cognitive abilities, increase social abilities and improve their verbally reasoning, calculating and creative abilities, there's no better combo, IMO, that will do so safely without causing a long lasting depression as seen with others such as acetylcholieesterase inhibitors (huperzine).
01-07-2013, 05:53 PM
01-07-2013, 06:23 PM
I like where you're going with that freqfly. I would venture to say that "Knowledge is only power if you know what to do with it." I've tried aniracetam and i have to say noopept blows it out of the water for me. never tried GPC so i will need to look into that. thanks for your post!
01-07-2013, 08:44 PM
01-07-2013, 09:11 PM
01-08-2013, 12:37 PM
01-08-2013, 01:10 PM
I don't think it is an apples to apples comparison with Noopept and Aniracetam. Ani is much more social by creating a clear mind in allowing things to almost slow down and pull together to allow better comprehension and social interaction. You aren't searching for words or thoughts as they seem to always be at the tip of your mind, which makes it great for speaking engagements. It also shines the light on the anxiolytics properties.
Noopept is great for creating a clear, almost laser like focus, but is not that great (IMO) for social interaction and being around people. It's almost like the focus is too much and interruptions cause tension because your mind has to switch tasks, but it doesn't happen in a fluid motion. It feels like it has to stop, reset, and then focus on the new task. I found that if I had a big project to dive into, it was great because it was tunnel vision on what had to be done. Other than that, it wasn't enjoyable.
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