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    Taking it with fish oil seemed to boost the effects for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    And will you succeed? Yes indeed, yes indeed! Ninety-eight and three-quarters percent guaranteed.


    sorry, i had to break out a Seuss-ism for you.
    lol and thanks for the response everyone. I have a capsulator for me ALCAR but can i just throw them in a drink?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Taking it with fish oil seemed to boost the effects for me.
    The fat content plus DHA in fish oil blends increases the density of Dopamine D2 receptors which is one of the sites Aniracetam exerts its effects on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    The fat content plus DHA in fish oil blends increases the density of Dopamine D2 receptors which is one of the sites Aniracetam exerts its effects on.
    Do you think taking fish oil along with my noopept would also be beneficial? I mean obviously I can just try it and see, but I thought some other opinions would help
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthWalker View Post
    Do you think taking fish oil along with my noopept would also be beneficial? I mean obviously I can just try it and see, but I thought some other opinions would help
    I personally haven't used it therefore I don't have a backed up opinion, but with my previous racetam experiences all performed better when taken with fish oil or olive oil.
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    Thanks for that info Freqfly. Anecdotally, I really felt a notable difference when taking it with 2-3 grams of fish oil on an empty stomach. It was a much more pronounced alertness which seems to mesh nicely with the info you provided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Thanks for that info Freqfly. Anecdotally, I really felt a notable difference when taking it with 2-3 grams of fish oil on an empty stomach. It was a much more pronounced alertness which seems to mesh nicely with the info you provided.
    No worries. For even more focus throw in 500mg L-Tyrosine with 750mg Aniracetam and 250mg Alpha-GPC. Wash it down with a cup of black coffee and 500mg Thiamine; that blows Adderall away frankly.
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    THAT is exactly the stack I use when running Ani. Taking a break from it currently and noticing the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    No worries. For even more focus throw in 500mg L-Tyrosine with 750mg Aniracetam and 250mg Alpha-GPC. Wash it down with a cup of black coffee and 500mg Thiamine; that blows Adderall away frankly.
    Is that Thiamine or Thianine?
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    Re: Smart drugs.


    Anybody ever thought about suspending a fat soluble racetam (ani)? I was thinking about doing so with a few other fat soluble noots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liquid View Post
    Anybody ever thought about suspending a fat soluble racetam (ani)? I was thinking about doing so with a few other fat soluble noots.
    Why make things harder than they need to be? Take a pill of Ani and wash it down with a glass of milk. Done.
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    i heard smart water does the trick
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Why make things harder than they need to be? Take a pill of Ani and wash it down with a glass of milk. Done.
    for some, that Rx would indeed be making things hard ..
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    That's what my 5 year old tries to tell me. haha

    I drink enough for 4 humans, so I'll take your portion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    That's what my 5 year old tries to tell me.
    sounds like a smart kid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Is that Thiamine or Thianine?
    Thiamine~ B1
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    THAT is exactly the stack I use . when running Ani. Taking a break from it currently and noticing the difference.
    Great minds think alike brotha. That's the thing many nootropic junkies don't realize when stacking cholinergics, Alcar, Huperzine, DMAE, etc.... Don't forget about DOPAMINE!!
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    so you recommend alpha-gpc 300mg and 750 mg ani 3 times a day or that as a daily dose divided into 3 doses?
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    Take 750 ani and 300mg of alpha GPC 2x a day.

    Ani is a noot that has dimishing returns and an extra dose can really wreak havoc. It makes me and others I have on it now get a little disorientation, brain fog, and lazy. It is a very powerful noot and you need to stay in recommended levels- which is 750mg 2x a day, with food.
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    Thanks a lot very helpful! i noticed this when i took 3 doses the first day
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    Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    Thiamine~ B1
    Thanks mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drseuss6969 View Post
    so you recommend alpha-gpc 300mg and 750 mg ani 3 times a day or that as a daily dose divided into 3 doses?
    Depends on your time span of needing it to be active. For me, Aniracetam lasts 2-3 hours. So for a full work day for example I'd take 3 separate doses. Keep in mind that you're increasing glutamate a ton with nootropics like Aniracetam, so avoiding glutamate toxicity by using Methylcobalamin, P-5-P, PQQ, Taurine, Resversatrol, etc will be a big benefit.
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    Any thoughts/experiences with oxytocin & Centrophenoxine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    The fat content plus DHA in fish oil blends increases the density of Dopamine D2 receptors which is one of the sites Aniracetam exerts its effects on.

    does this apply to all racetams or no? Like noopept or dimiurge
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    This is not a Plug

    but we ( ergogenix) carry L-Carnitine L- tartrate. I have bottles of this everywhere and take it for overall health. I know many and most like alcar with their noots

    how about LCLT ?>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    does this apply to all racetams or no? Like noopept or dimiurge
    It's physiologically immaterial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    how about LCLT ?>
    srs question?

    c'mon man

    i call plug

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    does this apply to all racetams or no? Like noopept or dimiurge
    As far as I know, Aniracetam is unique in it's ability to stimulate Dopamine and Serotonin release.

    Aniracetam enhances cortical dopamine and serotonin release via cholinergic and glutamatergic mechanisms in SHRSP.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11597608

    Cholinergic and dopaminergic mechanisms involved in the recovery of circadian anticipation by aniracetam in aged rats.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11900768

    Anxiolytic effects of aniracetam in three different mouse models of anxiety and the underlying mechanism.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11412837
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    srs question?c'mon mani call plug
    why wouldnt it be a serious question? Mr Cooper is a huge fan of alcar with his noots and studying,LCLT elicit the same affects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    why wouldnt it be a serious question? Mr Cooper is a huge fan of alcar with his noots and studying,LCLT elicit the same affects?
    i see
    well backer, for as long as you been around, and with a company that sells lclt, i am just a lil surprised you don't know the difference between the various forms of carnitine, and their applications, is all

    simply put: no, lclt does not elicit same effects as alcar
    nor does lclt elicit same effects as other various forms of carnitine

    here's a quick rundown:

    •Acetyl-L-Carnitine- the acetyl group basically means a collection of acetyl acid. To put it simply the addition of it to the carnitine aids in good memory function and mental focus. As with other forms of L-carnitine it also increases energy
    •L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate- tartrate, found in nature in some fruits, helps stabilize the L-carnitine. It’s also and effective antioxidant and some studies have shown it aids in more rapid muscle recovery after heavy stress
    •L-Carnitine fumarate- especially good for both metabolizing fat and sending plenty of oxygen to the heart, both valuable properties for athletes
    •D-Carnitine, D-L-Carnitine- only available synthetically and the FDA labels it as an illegal food additive
    •Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GPLC) – especially good for muscles as it promotes strong blood flow to them and makes up for oxygen lost during workout. Enhances fat metabolism and waste removal from cells

    interesting beast, carnitine is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    why wouldnt it be a serious question? Mr Cooper is a huge fan of alcar with his noots and studying,LCLT elicit the same affects?
    Nah, the acetyl group in ALCAR mediates any nootropic effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i see
    well backer, for as long as you been around, and with a company that sells lclt, i am just a lil surprised you don't know the difference between the various forms of carnitine, and their applications, is all

    simply put: no, lclt does not elicit same effects as alcar
    nor does lclt elicit same effects as other various forms of carnitine

    here's a quick rundown:

    •Acetyl-L-Carnitine- the acetyl group basically means a collection of acetyl acid. To put it simply the addition of it to the carnitine aids in good memory function and mental focus. As with other forms of L-carnitine it also increases energy
    •L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate- tartrate, found in nature in some fruits, helps stabilize the L-carnitine. It’s also and effective antioxidant and some studies have shown it aids in more rapid muscle recovery after heavy stress
    •L-Carnitine fumarate- especially good for both metabolizing fat and sending plenty of oxygen to the heart, both valuable properties for athletes
    •D-Carnitine, D-L-Carnitine- only available synthetically and the FDA labels it as an illegal food additive
    •Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GPLC) – especially good for muscles as it promotes strong blood flow to them and makes up for oxygen lost during workout. Enhances fat metabolism and waste removal from cells

    interesting beast, carnitine is
    Who wrote those bullets? Oxygen is not "lost" from muscles. No clue what acetyl acid is. Also, fumarate increases cellular ATP via its incorporation into the TCA cycle. This leads to an increase in [ATP] in muscle, and a decrease in [AMP]. The decrease in [AMP] stimulates Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase, leading to an increase in [Malonyl-CoA], and a block of fatty acid transport into the mitochondria for fat oxidation. So LCL-Fumarate actually inhibits b-oxidation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Who wrote those bullets? Oxygen is not "lost" from muscles. No clue what acetyl acid is. Also, fumarate increases cellular ATP via its incorporation into the TCA cycle. This leads to an increase in [ATP] in muscle, and a decrease in [AMP]. The decrease in [AMP] stimulates Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase, leading to an increase in [Malonyl-CoA], and a block of fatty acid transport into the mitochondria for fat oxidation. So LCL-Fumarate actually inhibits b-oxidation.
    ha, yeah wasn't the best sourcing, but i thought it looked pretty
    besides - speed was of the essence, as i needed to remove myself from the front of my computer yesterday, it was quick to find

    pointedly tho, it showed the unique function of alcar, and that this form is specifically unique to memory attributes

    simply goes to show, bro - always question your sources
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i see
    well backer, for as long as you been around, and with a company that sells lclt, i am just a lil surprised you don't know the difference between the various forms of carnitine, and their applications, is all

    sorry bud I've never stated I was versed in nootropics hence why I asked about noots.

    This is a new arena for me since im old now The topic is increasing the action of noots which is what I am trying to LEARN about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    sorry bud I've never stated I was versed in nootropics hence why I asked about noots.

    This is a new arena for me since im old now The topic is increasing the action of noots which is what I am trying to LEARN about
    old eh? damn youngster

    noots have nothing to do with understanding the actions of various forms of carnitine and what they are best suited for, but okay

    alcar been around for quite some time (i think before the term nootropic was even invented lol), and long been known as the "smart carnitine"

    in any event, learn away! is some interesting stuff for sure, lots to learn indeed
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