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    I have gone through 5-6 tubs of Craze and i still love it. The first tube worked like nothing else, had some really great workouts.

    I found out that for me that an extra 100-200mg of caffeine made it better.

    Craze + Epic works great for me, and extra caffeine makes it even more potent.

    Craze + Hemavol didnt work for me for some reason, maybe 2 scoops Hemavol is to much? To much Agmatine?

    Has anyone tested Craze with 25mg or 50mg of DMAA? Craze and Clearshot maybe?

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    I am a stim addict (with high tolerance) and I would not recommend Craze plus a full serving of Clearshot ...However Craze + Caffeine Free Focus XT hmmmmm YUMMM.

    Oh and for the addicts like me...Craze + Bronkaid haha
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    Craze + Focus XT - Caffeine Free I think would be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster
    Craze + Focus XT - Caffeine Free I think would be cool.
    Will caff free be back in stock soon ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedbrah View Post
    Will caff free be back in stock soon ?
    Indeed it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster
    Craze + Focus XT - Caffeine Free I think would be cool.
    Is there another batch of caff free being sent to retailers ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Indeed it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HITFrank
    I have gone through 5-6 tubs of Craze and i still love it. The first tube worked like nothing else, had some really great workouts.

    I found out that for me that an extra 100-200mg of caffeine made it better.

    Craze + Epic works great for me, and extra caffeine makes it even more potent.

    Craze + Hemavol didnt work for me for some reason, maybe 2 scoops Hemavol is to much? To much Agmatine?

    Has anyone tested Craze with 25mg or 50mg of DMAA? Craze and Clearshot maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    Craze + Focus XT - Caffeine Free I think would be cool.

    This sounds awesome. Though, I need to try Focus XT solo before venturing with that combo. I've heard great things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    This sounds awesome. Though, I need to try Focus XT solo before venturing with that combo. I've heard great things.
    Try Cotton Candy, it's a flavor born in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Try Cotton Candy, it's a flavor born in heaven.
    Yes! It tastes incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    Yes! It tastes incredible.
    Cotton Candy Focus-XT...in all aspects, better than your early morning coffee.
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    Coffee never gave me explosive diarrhea 10 minutes after ingesting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Coffee never gave me explosive diarrhea 10 minutes after ingesting it.
    You must have never purchased or tasted the delights of Kopi Luwak then! Gave me a bit of tummy distress for the first week of taking it until I grew used to it .
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    Is that the stuff monkeys poop out, gets harvested, then roasted and sold for hundreds of dollars a cup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Is that the stuff monkeys poop out, gets harvested, then roasted and sold for hundreds of dollars a cup?
    They are called civet cats :3 and yes, it runs through the digestive tract of said animal. It is not that expensive though , a nice quality one should be around 300-400 USD a pound.
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    Craze + Focus XT (with or without caffeine). It's my pre-exam protocol, a scoop of each (the caffeinated one).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Craze + Focus XT (with or without caffeine). It's my pre-exam protocol, a scoop of each (the caffeinated one).
    Cy! Y U NO Bronkaid!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Cy! Y U NO Bronkaid!?
    I've considered it but I'm not sure I'd want to stack ephedrine with PEA derivatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I've considered it but I'm not sure I'd want to stack ephedrine with PEA derivatives.
    And dinner is served with Food for Thought as entree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Try Cotton Candy, it's a flavor born in heaven.
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    Yes! It tastes incredible.
    Cotton candy does taste great. My next flavor is pink lemonade.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Craze + Focus XT (with or without caffeine). It's my pre-exam protocol, a scoop of each (the caffeinated one).
    This may have been answered in the copious amounts of Craze threads, but I will ask anyway. I read that Andy said that no cholinergics should be taken with Craze?
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Cotton candy does taste great. My next flavor is pink lemonade.



    This may have been answered in the copious amounts of Craze threads, but I will ask anyway. I read that Andy said that no cholinergics should be taken with Craze?
    They shouldn't...my proposal for Bronkaid was a dumb joke, even with the 15 minute~ effectiveness of the PEA enzymes it is still not a good idea to use Ephedrine with Craze...Bronkaid+FXT...now that's a good combo.
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    Craze+ Focus XT (both versions) is a great combo. I usually add 1g ALCAR to it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    They shouldn't...my proposal for Bronkaid was a dumb joke, even with the 15 minute~ effectiveness of the PEA enzymes it is still not a good idea to use Ephedrine with Craze...Bronkaid+FXT...now that's a good combo.
    I hear you on the Bronkaid. However, if there is an "apparent slew of cholinergia with Craze" (Andy's words), then I think I would avoid anything that affect it centrally or peripherally (e.g. choline and ALCAR).

    With that said, I don't think Coop would be taking both if it had adverse effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    I hear you on the Bronkaid. However, if there is an "apparent slew of cholinergia with Craze" (Andy's words), then I think I would avoid anything that affect it centrally or peripherally (e.g. choline and ALCAR).

    With that said, I don't think Coop would be taking both if it had adverse effects.
    At least to my experience I have not had any adverse effects with Choline and ALCAR with craze. Neither with PEA directly nor with C20 (which uses the same enzyme as PEA if memory serves correctly...) I am sure our Chemical Extravaganza (Coop) will chime in with some light for us, as I am in no position atm to go dig up a PUBMED or Reference for this hehe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    At least to my experience I have not had any adverse effects with Choline and ALCAR with craze. Neither with PEA directly nor with C20 (which uses the same enzyme as PEA if memory serves correctly...) I am sure our Chemical Extravaganza (Coop) will chime in with some light for us, as I am in no position atm to go dig up a PUBMED or Reference for this hehe...
    I would like to think a little ALCAR would be a nice addition to Craze, but I don't want to have cholinergic overload.

    Haha, I'm in the same boat, I learn a lot from your Chemical Extravaganza (and Pubmed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    This may have been answered in the copious amounts of Craze threads, but I will ask anyway. I read that Andy said that no cholinergics should be taken with Craze?
    While he may feel that way, response to nootropics is incredibly subjective and for me, Focus XT dampens the side effects of Craze (blurred vision and crash) while improving the benefits (sustained focus and energy).Note that Craze was initially advised to be taken with essentially nothing (even Orange Triad was "contraindicated"). I've personally noticed no issue combining Craze with beta-alanine or citrulline malate, both of which were supposed to cause nausea if added to Craze
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    While he may feel that way, response to nootropics is incredibly subjective and for me, Focus XT dampens the side effects of Craze (blurred vision and crash) while improving the benefits (sustained focus and energy).Note that Craze was initially advised to be taken with essentially nothing (even Orange Triad was "contraindicated"). I've personally noticed no issue combining Craze with beta-alanine or citrulline malate, both of which were supposed to cause nausea if added to Craze
    Okay, I appreciate the response. Focus XT has worked well for me, but I didn't want to start mixing if it were going to cause problems. If it ever were to happen, I think it would be nice to see some literature on dendrobium (in order to study interactions/contraindications).
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Okay, I appreciate the response. Focus XT has worked well for me, but I didn't want to start mixing if it were going to cause problems. If it ever were to happen, I think it would be nice to see some literature on dendrobium (in order to study interactions/contraindications).
    Unfortunately, it's unlikely that such literature would be helpful. By the label, the constituents that DS extracts from dendrobium are not typically present in the plant in appreciable quantities (as per leading dendrobium researchers) so an analysis of the overall plant wouldn't be terribly relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post

    I would like to think a little ALCAR would be a nice addition to Craze, but I don't want to have cholinergic overload.

    Haha, I'm in the same boat, I learn a lot from your Chemical Extravaganza (and Pubmed).
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    Haven`t tried it with DMAA.
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    I don't quite understand. Is Craze not to be taken with ALCAR? I saw a post from Andy quoting Matt with a list of synergistic and detrimental ingredients and didn't see ALCAR on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I don't quite understand. Is Craze not to be taken with ALCAR? I saw a post from Andy quoting Matt with a list of synergistic and detrimental ingredients and didn't see ALCAR on the list.

    Thank you gentlemen

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    It was just a quote by Andy, saying that Craze results in cholinergia and he would avoid anything that would further increase it centrally or peripherally (i.e. ALCAR).

    However, you can refer to Coop's posts a couple posts up.
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    Lol a break might be needed, even a week or two man. It might suck but afterward you'll be happier and not have to add so many scoops (or other product)
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore

    It was just a quote by Andy, saying that Craze results in cholinergia and he would avoid anything that would further increase it centrally or peripherally (i.e. ALCAR).

    However, you can refer to Coop's posts a couple posts up.
    Okay, the quote I was referring to is the same that Coop is talking about. I said I wouldn't take craze, but I cave and took it today. Of course I put my cit-mal and ALCAR in it. It felt fine, but then I read this stuff right after of course.

    I guess by what coop is saying I will just continue unless I see side effects. Thanks domore.

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    Is there anything to this cholinergia from craze? I've been using craze & hemavol for quite sometime & love the way I feel on that stack. I only use it twice a week, are there any serous concerns about this? This is the first I am hearing about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Okay, the quote I was referring to is the same that Coop is talking about. I said I wouldn't take craze, but I cave and took it today. Of course I put my cit-mal and ALCAR in it. It felt fine, but then I read this stuff right after of course.

    I guess by what coop is saying I will just continue unless I see side effects. Thanks domore.

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    Yes, exactly. It's tough to say what can and can't be taken with Craze since there isn't any literature on dendrobium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino67jg View Post
    Is there anything to this cholinergia from craze? I've been using craze & hemavol for quite sometime & love the way I feel on that stack. I only use it twice a week, are there any serous concerns about this? This is the first I am hearing about this.
    A substance is cholinergic if it involved with acetylcholine (directly or indirectly affect it).

    It isn't a bad thing, just a term used to describe the involvement of acetylcholine. However, cholinergic toxidrome is caused by excessive levels of acetylcholine.
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