Craze + _______

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    At least to my experience I have not had any adverse effects with Choline and ALCAR with craze. Neither with PEA directly nor with C20 (which uses the same enzyme as PEA if memory serves correctly...) I am sure our Chemical Extravaganza (Coop) will chime in with some light for us, as I am in no position atm to go dig up a PUBMED or Reference for this hehe...
    I would like to think a little ALCAR would be a nice addition to Craze, but I don't want to have cholinergic overload.

    Haha, I'm in the same boat, I learn a lot from your Chemical Extravaganza (and Pubmed).


  2. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    This may have been answered in the copious amounts of Craze threads, but I will ask anyway. I read that Andy said that no cholinergics should be taken with Craze?
    While he may feel that way, response to nootropics is incredibly subjective and for me, Focus XT dampens the side effects of Craze (blurred vision and crash) while improving the benefits (sustained focus and energy).Note that Craze was initially advised to be taken with essentially nothing (even Orange Triad was "contraindicated"). I've personally noticed no issue combining Craze with beta-alanine or citrulline malate, both of which were supposed to cause nausea if added to Craze
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    While he may feel that way, response to nootropics is incredibly subjective and for me, Focus XT dampens the side effects of Craze (blurred vision and crash) while improving the benefits (sustained focus and energy).Note that Craze was initially advised to be taken with essentially nothing (even Orange Triad was "contraindicated"). I've personally noticed no issue combining Craze with beta-alanine or citrulline malate, both of which were supposed to cause nausea if added to Craze
    Okay, I appreciate the response. Focus XT has worked well for me, but I didn't want to start mixing if it were going to cause problems. If it ever were to happen, I think it would be nice to see some literature on dendrobium (in order to study interactions/contraindications).

  4. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Okay, I appreciate the response. Focus XT has worked well for me, but I didn't want to start mixing if it were going to cause problems. If it ever were to happen, I think it would be nice to see some literature on dendrobium (in order to study interactions/contraindications).
    Unfortunately, it's unlikely that such literature would be helpful. By the label, the constituents that DS extracts from dendrobium are not typically present in the plant in appreciable quantities (as per leading dendrobium researchers) so an analysis of the overall plant wouldn't be terribly relevant.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post

    I would like to think a little ALCAR would be a nice addition to Craze, but I don't want to have cholinergic overload.

    Haha, I'm in the same boat, I learn a lot from your Chemical Extravaganza (and Pubmed).
    Coop is PUBMED

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Coop is PUBMED

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Coop is PUBMED

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    Every time I see Coop in a thread, he's dropping knowledge on the AM community.
    CoopMed.gov

  8. Haven`t tried it with DMAA.

  9. I don't quite understand. Is Craze not to be taken with ALCAR? I saw a post from Andy quoting Matt with a list of synergistic and detrimental ingredients and didn't see ALCAR on the list.

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I don't quite understand. Is Craze not to be taken with ALCAR? I saw a post from Andy quoting Matt with a list of synergistic and detrimental ingredients and didn't see ALCAR on the list.

    Thank you gentlemen

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    It was just a quote by Andy, saying that Craze results in cholinergia and he would avoid anything that would further increase it centrally or peripherally (i.e. ALCAR).

    However, you can refer to Coop's posts a couple posts up.

  11. Lol a break might be needed, even a week or two man. It might suck but afterward you'll be happier and not have to add so many scoops (or other product)

  12. Quote Originally Posted by domore

    It was just a quote by Andy, saying that Craze results in cholinergia and he would avoid anything that would further increase it centrally or peripherally (i.e. ALCAR).

    However, you can refer to Coop's posts a couple posts up.
    Okay, the quote I was referring to is the same that Coop is talking about. I said I wouldn't take craze, but I cave and took it today. Of course I put my cit-mal and ALCAR in it. It felt fine, but then I read this stuff right after of course.

    I guess by what coop is saying I will just continue unless I see side effects. Thanks domore.

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  13. Is there anything to this cholinergia from craze? I've been using craze & hemavol for quite sometime & love the way I feel on that stack. I only use it twice a week, are there any serous concerns about this? This is the first I am hearing about this.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Okay, the quote I was referring to is the same that Coop is talking about. I said I wouldn't take craze, but I cave and took it today. Of course I put my cit-mal and ALCAR in it. It felt fine, but then I read this stuff right after of course.

    I guess by what coop is saying I will just continue unless I see side effects. Thanks domore.

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    Yes, exactly. It's tough to say what can and can't be taken with Craze since there isn't any literature on dendrobium.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rhino67jg View Post
    Is there anything to this cholinergia from craze? I've been using craze & hemavol for quite sometime & love the way I feel on that stack. I only use it twice a week, are there any serous concerns about this? This is the first I am hearing about this.
    A substance is cholinergic if it involved with acetylcholine (directly or indirectly affect it).

    It isn't a bad thing, just a term used to describe the involvement of acetylcholine. However, cholinergic toxidrome is caused by excessive levels of acetylcholine.

  16. My go-to combo will be 1 scoop craze and .5-1 serving of Origin

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Ajerone View Post
    My go-to combo will be 1 scoop craze and .5-1 serving of Origin
    And when is this 'origin' going to be at the planet?

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Ajerone View Post
    My go-to combo will be 1 scoop craze and .5-1 serving of Origin
    Let us know how you respond to the extra TMG.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Ajerone View Post
    My go-to combo will be 1 scoop craze and .5-1 serving of Origin
    Was just thinking about this combo earlier. HMMM...
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