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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Well hello everyone! Long time no see. Used to be kinda active here but then had too much work going on and had to step away for a good 4 months, which also led me to not be as active as I would have hoped to, which therefore made me gain a few lbs that now I have to get rid of...

    So for starters: the goal is to cut the fat, without losing too much muscle - aren't we all?. 6'4'', 235lbs, about 19% of BF now. Looking to get to the 11% mark by february or so.

    The background: I follow the Leangains approach, eat between 1PM and 7PM, fast the rest of the day. My maintenance is around 3700 calories a day, so I go 3200 on cardio days, 3800 on workout days. On cardio days, diet consists mostly of fats, proteins, with very little carbs, most coming from nuts and green veggies. Workout days, lean protein, lots of it, veggies, an oat meal in the middle of the day and then dinner loaded with black beans, veggies and lean meat. I have quit drinking for the time being, going to skip the booze during christmas and new years, lord help me.... So the diet is in check.

    Workout: I follow a 4 day split Doggcrapp training now. So got my ABC in check. I also do fasted cardio at least 4x a week, loading on BCAAs and Glutamine before and after the workout. The before BCAA is a 4:1:1 split and then a 1:1:1 after, about 4g before, 4g after. Usually a middle of the road resistance on the cardio. Not too light, not too heavy, for about an hour each of those 4x a week in the morning, and then occasionally one after working out, weekends sometimes.

    So on to the questions! Since I was slow moving in the gym for the last 4 months, I would take my self-given monthly allowance and stock on some supps since I know it's useless to take them if you're not giving 100% in the gym, I only kept the staples such as fish oil, multi, potassium, etc during that time. So here's where we are now:

    -Fish Oil - 2x a day, 10g total
    -Multi 1x a day
    -Life Support 2x a day
    -Glucosamine MSM etc for joints 3x a day
    -Potassium 2x a day
    -Chromium, ALA and DCP before meals
    -Forsokli 95% 2x a day with meals
    -BCAA in the morning
    -Alphamine: 2 scoops in the morning before fasted cardio, 1 scoop before lunch.
    -L-Carnitine: 2g before morning workout. 2g before lunch
    -DAA along the Alphamine and BCAA in the morning
    -Erase 2x a day
    -Bulbine as recommended
    -Vitamin C - 4g - 6g a day throughout the day
    -ZMA and Melatonin before bed at night

    That's me right now. So you see, a little bit of everything to complement my diet and training, help on recovery, etc.

    So on to the question (s):
    - Any suggestions on changing the pattern which I take my supps? Remove any?
    - Anabeta... I have 2 bottles of OG Anabeta and 1 Bottle of Anabeta Elite. Should I pop these bad boys in as well? Keep in mind, cutting, not bulking. Last time I ran AB I was starving all the time, don't know how it is going to fly with Leangains. Also, wasn't sure I would be able to hit my caloric goals while taking it and I really need to cut the fat I got during this time.

    Thinking about starting myself a log to keep me going and motivated.

    Anyways, appreciate any and all input. Thanks! Feels great to be back.

    Hey man, sorry to get in on this late. I have logged OG Anabeta twice on this site, both times trying to lose fat while gaining muscle (I guess that would be a recomp and not a cut, but I don't think anyone specifically tries to lose muscle, so most cuts could probably be called recomps anyway, right?). I did not take anything specifically to lose fat on either log, as I am very sensitive to stims. I had great results both times, and there are before/after pics in both logs so you can see for yourself. I wholeheartedly recommend adding in the AB or ABE. I was able to put on muscle, and a lot of strength, all while cutting calories and eating super cleanly. I was also able to eat more carbs than I normally would while cutting calories without paying a price. In fact, I needed to eat them. I have not tried ABE yet (I have a log coming up in the spring, so keep an eye out), but it seems to be tailor-made for what you are doing right now. The only thing to mention is that you NEED to eat after dosing (at least I did). If I didn't have any food and dosed 2 pills, I would start getting cranky and woozy. AB seems to work in combination with carbs and BCAAs, especially leucine (so I guess it feeds off of insulin? PES guys, is this the accepted truth here?). If you are only eating between 1 and 7, maybe dose all of your AB between 12:30 and 8, so it has nutrients to work with. That is just my experience, so gauge yours as you go, but for me, AB worked great even if it would be better-suited for a clean bulk. I just needed to eat enough, and I couldn't take it too late in the day, or I wouldn't be able to sleep. Despite the absence of stims, I got so much energy from AB that I couldn't sleep if I still had it in my system. In conclusion, I say run the ABE as the first choice, and AB as the second. Definitely try one, though. Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Hey man, sorry to get in on this late. I have logged OG Anabeta twice on this site, both times trying to lose fat while gaining muscle (I guess that would be a recomp and not a cut, but I don't think anyone specifically tries to lose muscle, so most cuts could probably be called recomps anyway, right?). I did not take anything specifically to lose fat on either log, as I am very sensitive to stims. I had great results both times, and there are before/after pics in both logs so you can see for yourself. I wholeheartedly recommend adding in the AB or ABE. I was able to put on muscle, and a lot of strength, all while cutting calories and eating super cleanly. I was also able to eat more carbs than I normally would while cutting calories without paying a price. In fact, I needed to eat them. I have not tried ABE yet (I have a log coming up in the spring, so keep an eye out), but it seems to be tailor-made for what you are doing right now. The only thing to mention is that you NEED to eat after dosing (at least I did). If I didn't have any food and dosed 2 pills, I would start getting cranky and woozy. AB seems to work in combination with carbs and BCAAs, especially leucine (so I guess it feeds off of insulin? PES guys, is this the accepted truth here?). If you are only eating between 1 and 7, maybe dose all of your AB between 12:30 and 8, so it has nutrients to work with. That is just my experience, so gauge yours as you go, but for me, AB worked great even if it would be better-suited for a clean bulk. I just needed to eat enough, and I couldn't take it too late in the day, or I wouldn't be able to sleep. Despite the absence of stims, I got so much energy from AB that I couldn't sleep if I still had it in my system. In conclusion, I say run the ABE as the first choice, and AB as the second. Definitely try one, though. Hope this helps!

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    I think AB/ABE definitely have some blood sugar type effects. I made this mistake of dosing 2 ABE once pre workout on an empty stomach... halfway through my workout I was seeing stars lol. I came home and raided every sugar filled food in my kitchen.

    I gotta dose it before I eat. I dose AB/ABE about 5 minutes before a high carb meal, and almost immediately after I'm finished eating I feel pumped and full (muscularly). The pumps are unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I think AB/ABE definitely have some blood sugar type effects. I made this mistake of dosing 2 ABE once pre workout on an empty stomach... halfway through my workout I was seeing stars lol. I came home and raided every sugar filled food in my kitchen.

    I gotta dose it before I eat. I dose AB/ABE about 5 minutes before a high carb meal, and almost immediately after I'm finished eating I feel pumped and full (muscularly). The pumps are unbelievable.

    Ha, man I can definitely relate to that feeling! I also had some experiences of just raiding every starchy thing I could find after going hypo. Have you tried stacking it with pslin for your PWO meal? For me, the pump was unbelievable!

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    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    Great recomp man. You can clearly see it as well.

    Facial expression went from frown to poker face. hahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Great recomp man. You can clearly see it as well.

    Facial expression went from frown to poker face. hahah
    haha yep, happy face comes at the end of the recomp haha
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    hahaha im laughing that you incorporated that! funny man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    Legit results bro. Looking lean but solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55
    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    damn solid man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    I ended up tossing AB OG in there as well, but I don't take it until right before my first meal (~1PM) and then take 2 before working out and then 2 right after, when I'm tossing in the carbs and higher calorie count.

    I've done one awesome recomp thus far... I've dropped 15lbs and actually increased my Lean Body Mass by 5lbs. Still have about 2 weeks to go but this is the "before" and "after" thus far - after about 28 days no.

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    The first picture is blurry and on the other one you are standing further away.

    And the poses aren`t the same.

    Why do people never do the pics properly so you can really compare.
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    give him a break man! im thankful that he even took the time to compare with photos. looks solid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    The first picture is blurry and on the other one you are standing further away.

    And the poses aren`t the same.

    Why do people never do the pics properly so you can really compare.
    Because they want the impression that something has done more then it actually has it always happens. Just like when sites do those transformation contests, people who are in decent shape bloat the crap out of them selves and push their stomach's out to look worse.

    Or I remember Matt Porter posting a buncha PP product before and after photo's and the afters there were ever so slight differences in poses' and flexing to make the after pics look more profound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    The first picture is blurry and on the other one you are standing further away.

    And the poses aren`t the same.

    Why do people never do the pics properly so you can really compare.
    Lol seriously? Looks pretty clear to me he had good results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    give him a break man! im thankful that he even took the time to compare with photos. looks solid!
    Sorry,but I really would like to see some proper compare pics once in my life.

    And when it comes to herbal test boosters claiming to change physique,I`d really like to see it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Sorry,but I really would like to see some proper compare pics once in my life.

    And when it comes to herbal test boosters claiming to change physique,I`d really like to see it well.
    if you are going to complain about someone taking their time that isnt up to your standards, why dont you run something and post pics for yourself to see? even if it worked well for someone, it may not work the same for you. try it for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    if you are going to complain about someone taking their time that isnt up to your standards, why dont you run something and post pics for yourself to see? even if it worked well for someone, it may not work the same for you. try it for yourself.
    I knew you`d say something like that,I just knew it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    Lol seriously? Looks pretty clear to me he had good results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    I knew you`d say something like that,I just knew it.
    then why dont u? im sure some reps would sponsor you or give you a coupon to use or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Lol seriously?
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    whats your deal man? idk why you are making such a big deal about this. not every person knows how to pose or this may be his first time doing before/after pics and didnt think of that. just be thankful we have some pictures to go off of. you can obviously tell the difference. and if the left picture is "blurry" or "not clear", save it and photoshop it to make it clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    then why dont u? im sure some reps would sponsor you or give you a coupon to use or something.
    In that case,I`m in.

    Get me a sponsor,I`ll do a full log with good pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    In that case,I`m in.

    Get me a sponsor,I`ll do a full log with good pics.
    not my job to do work for you. im not a rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    Because they want the impression that something has done more then it actually has it always happens. Just like when sites do those transformation contests, people who are in decent shape bloat the crap out of them selves and push their stomach's out to look worse.
    LOL yeah.


    Also people tend to make pics in such way themselves in order to think that they have gained or prospered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    not my job to do work for you. im not a rep.
    So you`re just a schill?
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    No offense to PES with my comments.

    Erase is an awesome product.

    But when it comes to expensive herbal test boosters,many of which I have tried,most of which are bullcrap....
    I must defend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    No offense to PES with my comments.

    Erase is an awesome product.

    But when it comes to expensive herbal test boosters,many of which I have tried,most of which are bullcrap....
    I must defend!
    what have you used and what were your expectations? most people dont realize a supplement is a SUPPLEMENT. if your diet and training arent on point, good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    So you`re just a schill?
    i support supplements i believe in and have used. there are many supplements i have used that i did not respond to well. Drive, RPM, PowerFULL, jack3d to name a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Lol seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    No offense to PES with my comments.

    Erase is an awesome product.

    But when it comes to expensive herbal test boosters,many of which I have tried,most of which are bullcrap....
    I must defend!
    I understand where you are coming from, I have used products in the past and have been completely disappointed. Has everyone that's used Anabeta been absolutely blown away, or course not. People react different to each product. That being said most people have had a great experience with Anabeta, muscle fullness, increase in strength, ability to consume higher calories without much fat gain.
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    It's not like I was in a contest or a sponsored log... in fact it wasn't even a log at all. AT ALL. I didn't plan on putting pictures, I'm not endorsing a company, I'm posting pictures that I had for myself to keep track of my own changes. Didn't know I should follow a specific pattern in order to post pictures to access development. But if you must, then keep in mind that this decreases the timeframe of the transformation in 1 week as this was taken 1 week post the other one...

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    That a better suited angle, lightning, pose? I guess they were taken with different phones, so that may be the skewer this time, and I was tanner in my later one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Oh yes, I also shaved on week 3.
    I lol'ed.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Sorry,but I really would like to see some proper compare pics once in my life.

    And when it comes to herbal test boosters claiming to change physique,I`d really like to see it well.

    I may be a rep, but that doesnt change the results I got from this product. I feel that they meet your criteria:


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    Holy ballsack... what a result!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I may be a rep, but that doesnt change the results I got from this product. I feel that they meet your criteria:
    Not trying to start a war but as he was saying there are photo differences making it hard to actually compare. After pic is higher up on your body slightly more zoomed in as well as the lighting is brighter creating bright spots and more intense shadows.

    I'll work top to bottom to cite the differences, shoulder appears slightly more rotated towards camera accentuating rear deltoid more so, as well as possibly shrugged lightly higher which may be flexing the trap more but the lighting makes it hard to tell, upper arm is positioned more foreward in the second pic which could help in flexing the pec for better defenition, forearm is palm inward decreasing overall bicep flex but also looks to be slightly higher covering 3rd row of abs increasing bicep flex as well as more flex on the brach.

    I'm sure most of this wasn't done intentionally but it does effect the picture overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    Not trying to start a war but as he was saying there are photo differences making it hard to actually compare. After pic is higher up on your body slightly more zoomed in as well as the lighting is brighter creating bright spots and more intense shadows.

    I'll work top to bottom to cite the differences, shoulder appears slightly more rotated towards camera accentuating rear deltoid more so, as well as possibly shrugged lightly higher which may be flexing the trap more but the lighting makes it hard to tell, upper arm is positioned more foreward in the second pic which could help in flexing the pec for better defenition, forearm is palm inward decreasing overall bicep flex but also looks to be slightly higher covering 3rd row of abs increasing bicep flex as well as more flex on the brach.

    I'm sure most of this wasn't done intentionally but it does effect the picture overall.

    I agree many reviewers will post pictures in completely different areas, different poses, different lighting, etc. I attempted to mimic the results of the baseline photo to the best of my ability. Those subtle differences, in my opinion, pale in comparison to the fact that i had significant results during my run. The only real screw up in my opinion, is the neutral grip vs supinated of my free arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I agree many reviewers will post pictures in completely different areas, different poses, different lighting, etc. I attempted to mimic the results of the baseline photo to the best of my ability. Those subtle differences, in my opinion, pale in comparison to the fact that i had significant results during my run. The only real screw up in my opinion, is the neutral grip vs supinated of my free arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55
    It's not like I was in a contest or a sponsored log... in fact it wasn't even a log at all. AT ALL. I didn't plan on putting pictures, I'm not endorsing a company, I'm posting pictures that I had for myself to keep track of my own changes. Didn't know I should follow a specific pattern in order to post pictures to access development. But if you must, then keep in mind that this decreases the timeframe of the transformation in 1 week as this was taken 1 week post the other one...

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72 781"/>

    That a better suited angle, lightning, pose? I guess they were taken with different phones, so that may be the skewer this time, and I was tanner in my later one...

    Oh yes, I also shaved on week 3.
    It appears you had some good results! Nice work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    I may be a rep, but that doesnt change the results I got from this product. I feel that they meet your criteria:
    I'm always blown away with your recent transformation kev!
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