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    finaflex ignite 2 that was released early last year. it had me freakn jacked for hours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    finaflex ignite 2 that was released early last year. it had me freakn jacked for hours...
    This is by far one of the best pwo's I've ever used. Def top 5. Throw some uncapped Max Pump in with it and watch out! Veins, pump and energy for days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    This is by far one of the best pwo's I've ever used. Def top 5. Throw some uncapped Max Pump in with it and watch out! Veins, pump and energy for days!
    Max Pump ftw!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post

    Max Pump ftw!
    Like Josh said, veins on veins on veins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Like Josh said, veins on veins on veins!
    I'm the one who beta tested it ;-) best believe I Know hahaha
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    Max pump is good stuff! Nano Vapor is pretty decent too although it made me sick
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    Quote Originally Posted by niners4reggie View Post
    Max pump is good stuff! Nano Vapor is pretty decent too although it made me sick
    Can't be that good then right? ;-)
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    I won't be using it again haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by niners4reggie View Post
    I won't be using it again haha!
    Lol ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post

    Can't be that good then right? ;-)
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    Anyone ever tried any prosupps stuff?they got dr Jekyll and Hyde and I was curious as I can't find any real info or reviews!
    Hyde made me crack out and do 10 sets of vent over rows before the energy spike leveled off. I did not enjoy it at all lol
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    Same here... Hyde was way too intense. Gave all my sample packs away. However, I do like pro supps. Good company.
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    Hmm, never tired hyde. Muscle Marinade and Max Intense are the two strongest ive used.

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    Musclemarinade-
    ive tried jack3d, napalm w 1.3, maximize intensen, mr1 old ect.. and so far its MM that wins
    I use D-pol with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profion View Post
    Musclemarinade-
    ive tried jack3d, napalm w 1.3, maximize intensen, mr1 old ect.. and so far its MM that wins
    I use D-pol with it
    Agreed, muscle marinade was no joke. Had me feeling jacked for hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Hmm, never tired hyde. Muscle Marinade and Max Intense are the two strongest ive used.

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    Hell yea I like OG max intense
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    pro supps vyper was very good...never tried hyde.
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    My top pre's (strong stims) in no particular order.

    1) APS Mesomorph (original version)
    2) Craze
    3) Enhanced
    4) ANS Performance Ritual - Craze peeps, you'll love this one.
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    How about 1 scoop Craze, 1 scoop Assault?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain13 View Post
    PES Enhanced/thread.
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    My top pre's (strong stims) in no particular order.

    1) APS Mesomorph (original version)
    2) Craze
    3) Enhanced
    4) ANS Performance Ritual - Craze peeps, you'll love this one.
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    Jack3d is good. Anyone had Bullnox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBuddha View Post
    Jack3d is good. Anyone had Bullnox?
    I have had it. Had too much zinc in it for me to handle at one time however. Decent Stimpy effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    no doubt, lecheek makes great stims...picked up a few bottles og oxyeca really cheap!!!
    That's amazing how different people are. I tried a couple of samples of Speed X3 and the second night I fell asleep with my then 2 year old while I was rocking him. haha Original Hyde I liked the very first time I tried. I had a sample. About 4 or 5 months later I gotta hold of 2 more samples, and they didn't hit me near as hard this time. Still good, but not the way I remembered it. haha I want to try Enhanced and Uncut. White Flood and PowerMax are not heavy on stims, but they hit me a lot better than high stim products. Outstanding focus. I have a high stim tolerance, so I wonder if that is my problem. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    That's amazing how different people are. I tried a couple of samples of Speed X3 and the second night I fell asleep with my then 2 year old while I was rocking him. haha Original Hyde I liked the very first time I tried. I had a sample. About 4 or 5 months later I gotta hold of 2 more samples, and they didn't hit me near as hard this time. Still good, but not the way I remembered it. haha I want to try Enhanced and Uncut. White Flood and PowerMax are not heavy on stims, but they hit me a lot better than high stim products. Outstanding focus. I have a high stim tolerance, so I wonder if that is my problem. haha

    for those of us who use a lot of stims there are many variables that contribute to well how we will respond on any given day....for me lack of decent sleep, poor diet, stress are just a few that come to mind. today was my 2nd time using gameday and i responded better than the 1st time, but i was well rested and diet has been on point....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    for those of us who use a lot of stims there are many variables that contribute to well how we will respond on any given day....for me lack of decent sleep, poor diet, stress are just a few that come to mind. today was my 2nd time using gameday and i responded better than the 1st time, but i was well rested and diet has been on point....
    I would agree to a certain extent. I also think individual body chemistries play into this as well. Does anyone remember grape JP8? That stuff tasted like vomit, but man, that stuff would get me rollin'. I never did try the JP8x. JP8 was so god awfully bad, and yet I bought 3 straight tubs until they quit making it. Now THAT tells you something about a product. haha
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    I have the JP8X Peligro Hardcore and at 2 scoops hands down the best at focus, energy, and
    recovery between sets than any of the other preworkout products that I have used and I
    have used a lot of them. I have a container of the new READY4WAR powder by Get Diesel
    but I haven't cracked it open yet, but when I do I will definitely post up a review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalpackage View Post
    I have the JP8X Peligro Hardcore and at 2 scoops hands down the best at focus, energy, and
    recovery between sets than any of the other preworkout products that I have used and I
    have used a lot of them. I have a container of the new READY4WAR powder by Get Diesel
    but I haven't cracked it open yet, but when I do I will definitely post up a review.
    I always thought about making the JP8X dive. I just didn't like the way Chuck traded out some of the good vitamins and things in original JP8. So I haven't bought it yet. The Ready4War capsules they used to make were very hit and miss with me. Some days fantastico, other days I wish I would have taken something else. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    I would agree to a certain extent. I also think individual body chemistries play into this as well. Does anyone remember grape JP8? That stuff tasted like vomit, but man, that stuff would get me rollin'. I never did try the JP8x. JP8 was so god awfully bad, and yet I bought 3 straight tubs until they quit making it. Now THAT tells you something about a product. haha
    Still one of the worst tasting things I've used. More so because it lingered and you couldn't get the taste to go away.

    When it didn't make my stomach churn or make me feel off, it was one of the best focus supplements I've used.
    However that was maybe 1/3 the time and I dreaded it every time.

    I can still taste it in my nightmares lol

    Got caught up in the R4W hype back in the day too and got almost zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Still one of the worst tasting things I've used. More so because it lingered and you couldn't get the taste to go away.

    When it didn't make my stomach churn or make me feel off, it was one of the best focus supplements I've used.
    However that was maybe 1/3 the time and I dreaded it every time.

    I can still taste it in my nightmares lol

    Got caught up in the R4W hype back in the day too and got almost zero.
    My wife and mother-in-law would ask me if I was ok while drinking because I would try and use as little liquid as possible to get it down. I can STILL taste that taste to this day. You know, about once every week and a half or so I would take it and feel off just like you are talking about, or my belly would feel like it got its *ss kicked like it owed JP8 money. I tried ONE bottle of R4W and knew that product was not very awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post

    Agreed, muscle marinade was no joke. Had me feeling jacked for hours.
    Muscle Marinade plus Compete = PRs. Great combo that keeps this senior killing weights! Lol
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    i like nitro ncg or insidious with a scoop of Karbrageous
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    What about SuppD? I did a review and could easily compare the stim factor to og craze. Endurance through the roof
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    I have used the old version of R4W in the powder form and that worked better than the caps.
    The cap version took to long to hit and JP8X taste really bad because it has a strong dose of
    Sulbutiamine powder which taste awful but I am actually use to the taste now because I have a
    container of pure Sulbutiamine and I add it to some preworkout powders that need a kick for energy.
    Diesel doesn't use any artificial flavors or sweeteners in their powders that's why they taste bad but
    if you can tolerate the taste like I can their powders are very effective and there DTHC is also a winner
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    That's amazing how different people are. I tried a couple of samples of Speed X3 and the second night I fell asleep with my then 2 year old while I was rocking him. haha Original Hyde I liked the very first time I tried. I had a sample. About 4 or 5 months later I gotta hold of 2 more samples, and they didn't hit me near as hard this time. Still good, but not the way I remembered it. haha I want to try Enhanced and Uncut. White Flood and PowerMax are not heavy on stims, but they hit me a lot better than high stim products. Outstanding focus. I have a high stim tolerance, so I wonder if that is my problem. haha
    yea for your lower stim user it def. feels stronger but i actually enjoy the smoother feeling of Powermax. Energy is still really good just not jittery and has great focus. Im a pretty stim tolerant user but i still enjoy the clean feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    yea for your lower stim user it def. feels stronger but i actually enjoy the smoother feeling of Powermax. Energy is still really good just not jittery and has great focus. Im a pretty stim tolerant user but i still enjoy the clean feeling.
    That was what I appreciated. It didn't hit you real hard. You knew the energy was there, but the focus seemed to be amplified on that product. I take in entirely too much caffeine and I still felt the energy from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalpackage View Post
    I have used the old version of R4W in the powder form and that worked better than the caps.
    The cap version took to long to hit and JP8X taste really bad because it has a strong dose of
    Sulbutiamine powder which taste awful but I am actually use to the taste now because I have a
    container of pure Sulbutiamine and I add it to some preworkout powders that need a kick for energy.
    Diesel doesn't use any artificial flavors or sweeteners in their powders that's why they taste bad but
    if you can tolerate the taste like I can their powders are very effective and there DTHC is also a winner
    for me.
    Oh I would never argue about their effectiveness. Like I said, I bought 3 tubs in a row of JP8 and it was rancid. I would max dose my leg days with it and kill it. You felt like a machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    Oh I would never argue about their effectiveness. Like I said, I bought 3 tubs in a row of JP8 and it was rancid. I would max dose my leg days with it and kill it. You felt like a machine.
    Who makes this JP8 you speak of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Who makes this JP8 you speak of?
    It was made by Diesel Nutrition. He makes a new formulation now. I have not tried it because I didn't like the fact that he took out some of the good versions of vitamins in it and replaced it with lesser forms. Although someone on here said JPX is pretty good. That's the new formulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post

    It was made by Diesel Nutrition. He makes a new formulation now. I have not tried it because I didn't like the fact that he took out some of the good versions of vitamins in it and replaced it with lesser forms. Although someone on here said JPX is pretty good. That's the new formulation.
    Diesel-jp8 ... Makes sense.

    So its the og version that was good then. Pretty much how the story goes...
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    PES enhanced by far the strongest and yet very clean.

    Also love 4 caps of clear shot every now and then
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