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    Strong stimulated pre-workout ingredients?


    It's been awhile I haven't been here. I know most of you purchase bulk ingredients and just mix/formulate ingredients to your likings. I have insomnia and very busy with school getting my PhD! I used to love Geranium/1-3DMAA this stuff worked great for studying, training and all that. It was like crack...

    Anyways I am looking for an ingredient to benefit not only in the gym but something that would make me very jittery/alert/in-the-zone and maybe euphoria? I typically take Vyvanse (A form of adderall) and it works okay meh... Since Geranium/1,3DMAA is banned what is out there that is good? I was thinking about this for a pre-workout / energy boost...

    ~ 400-800mg Caffeine Anhydrous (Vivarin tablets)
    ~ Niacin (With Flush apparently a study shown niacin with Flush is more effective than Flush-free)
    ~ Yohimbine HCL
    ~ Phenylethylamine HCL
    ~ Agmatine Sulfate 1.2g ( Friends said they took 1.5g, 2g, 3g. No extra noticable benefits compared to 1-1.2g)
    ~ Simple-carb source (Vitargo S2 or Karbolyn)
    ~ Creatine Nitrate (CN2) or Creatine HCL otherwise both.


    Additional perhaps Test-boosting may be great extra to the stack...
    ~Horny Goat Weed
    ~MACA/Tribulus
    ~DHEA (Although I hear not good unless you are 35 years +)


    Post-workout Creatine
    ~ (GDA) R-ALA / Chromium / Vanadyl
    ~ Creatine HCL 1.5g (is this good enough for a daily-dosage?)
    ~ Creatine Nitrate (not sure on good effective dosage
    ~ 2-3g Micronize Creapure mono


    Aminos, all that i'll get to that later.

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    1,3 isn't banned. There was a lot of sabre rattling, but nothing has come down the pipe (yet).
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    Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sina View Post
    Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.
    As in powder? Not sure, but I know that SP has the same supplier as Primaforce and Scivation.
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    If you want stims try ProSupps Mr Hyde. Caffeine, dmaa, yohimbine, etc.
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    I've got 4 bottles of Nutra geranium in my hoard. Bunch of Dexaprine also. Good once in a while to open a cap into Hemavol or Condense or any PWO for that matter. MM is pretty smooth and tasty as far as stims go!
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    I'd check out Lecheek's SpeedX3's profile. It has a couple of the items you listed in blue in it and had me feeling exactly how you described that you'd like to feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sina View Post
    Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.
    One of those companies is g2g man. True Nutrition is a top notch place and I've never even heard of anyone getting dubed by them. Smart powders is ehhhh sometimes.I'm waiting for a response from them after I ordered one thing and they basically shipped me something else with a new label slapped on top...which i peeled off. It was protein though—but stillll.I've never been a crazy fan of DMAA...just take some EC stack
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    That's a lot of stims. Your asking for sides. Adrenal fatigue, over stimulated nervous system. It may keep you wired. But from a training aspect it will suffer. More is Not always better. Ever check your blood pressure on that many stems?
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    Isn't Muscle-Marinade discontinued with the Geranium in it? Unless they have a new formula w/out 13DMAA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeC View Post
    That's a lot of stims. Your asking for sides. Adrenal fatigue, over stimulated nervous system. It may keep you wired. But from a training aspect it will suffer. More is Not always better. Ever check your blood pressure on that many stems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sina View Post
    Isn't Muscle-Marinade discontinued with the Geranium in it? Unless they have a new formula w/out 13DMAA?

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    look into muscle marinade!
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    USPlabs Jack3d (original) is still around and kicking in a good number of flavors too
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    SNS Adrena-G can still be found. 25mg 1,3D per cap. Throw some caffeine tabs and ergobolic (I swear this increases stimulant sensitivity) into the mix and you've got a great combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    1,3 isn't banned. There was a lot of sabre rattling, but nothing has come down the pipe (yet).
    Depends where you're from banned where I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
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    No MM is not discontinued
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42
    No MM is not discontinued
    Better not be! BTW, was the grape flavor as bad as people say? Fresh Fruit is pretty good and even better when some BCAAs are mixed in from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Depends where you're from banned where I am.

    8 cans of red bull and you're good to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    This!!!
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    Idk what it is.. but MI doesn't do anything for me. I can't even feel 1.5 scoops.


    OP- since you have such a stim addiction check out VPX Friction. It has 400mg of caffeine per serving I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post

    Couldn't agree more.
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    Lol have some MM 20min b4 playing COD, u get complete tunnel vision, and forget its just a video game, that shiit starts feeling like real life,
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    Quote Originally Posted by murk01 View Post
    Lol have some MM 20min b4 playing COD, u get complete tunnel vision, and forget its just a video game, that shiit starts feeling like real life,
    Loled. That's so awesome. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Better not be! BTW, was the grape flavor as bad as people say? Fresh Fruit is pretty good and even better when some BCAAs are mixed in from time to time.
    It wasn't THAT bad no. Compared to other flavors yes. And it got old to drink after several uses so made it worse haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post

    It wasn't THAT bad no. Compared to other flavors yes. And it got old to drink after several uses so made it worse haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post


    Idk what it is.. but MI doesn't do anything for me. I can't even feel 1.5 scoops.

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    Damn, that sucks bro. There are very very minimal reports of maximize intense not working for people, at least that we are aware of. But, I def understand you, because I've used supplements everyone raves over and felt nothing before, we are all different. It truly does have a very complex and strong stim blend though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeC
    That's a lot of stims. Your asking for sides. Adrenal fatigue, over stimulated nervous system. It may keep you wired. But from a training aspect it will suffer. More is Not always better. Ever check your blood pressure on that many stems?
    Well said. That much stuff is unnecessarily high. Did I read correct that you want to take 400-800 mg caffeine preworkout? Be careful man. The most I've ever taken was 200 and that was too much.
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    The strongest preworkout is MGN blood rush pump. Approx 3x stronger than MM (not a good thing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The strongest preworkout is MGN blood rush pump. Approx 3x stronger than MM (not a good thing)
    That's scary lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The strongest preworkout is MGN blood rush pump. Approx 3x stronger than MM (not a good thing)
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    That's scary lol
    1,125 mg of stimulants; mix of caffiene and 1,3 and they say you can take up to 1-3 scoops...

    I read the break down to be 1 gram of caf and 125mg of 1,3.

    No one should need that product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    The strongest preworkout is MGN blood rush pump. Approx 3x stronger than MM (not a good thing)
    Unfortunately, some will see that as an endorsement and will be interested in buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Damn, that sucks bro. There are very very minimal reports of maximize intense not working for people, at least that we are aware of. But, I def understand you, because I've used supplements everyone raves over and felt nothing before, we are all different. It truly does have a very complex and strong stim blend though.

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    I know. I don't even know what it is. I've taken a scoop and a half on more than one occasion and will literally not feel any difference. Sucks to suck I suppose. I've still got over half a tub of it sitting around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The strongest preworkout is MGN blood rush pump. Approx 3x stronger than MM (not a good thing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    I know. I don't even know what it is. I've taken a scoop and a half on more than one occasion and will literally not feel any difference. Sucks to suck I suppose. I've still got over half a tub of it sitting around.
    Thats really crazy bro.. sorry to hear that! Glad you found others that work for you though!

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