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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thills

    Google aspartame for youselves to find out the truth. Millions of people have had all kinds of advese reactions. I would link a handful of the many studies but don't have the posting power to do so.
    People have adverse reactions to vitamin C.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer
    Hi Roja. Not saying that sugar is good for you. Just stating it is indeed better (in moderation) than some of these sweeteners.
    That is debatable.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by thills View Post
    Google aspartame for youself to find out the truth. Millions of people have had all kinds of advese reactions. I would link a handful of studies but don't have the posting power to do so.
    there is absolutely no link between aspartame and any health risks dude..there are no controlled clinical trials that link any type of health risk to the use of artificial sweetners. And ones that do are with rats and require an insane amount of consumption and we all know the problems with observational studies so i wont go there

  4. Quote Originally Posted by machorox123 View Post
    there is absolutely no link between aspartame and any health risks dude..there are no controlled clinical trials that link any type of health risk to the use of artificial sweetners. And ones that do are with rats and require an insane amount of consumption and we all know the problems with observational studies so i wont go there
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  5. Good reads here.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by machorox123 View Post
    there is absolutely no link between aspartame and any health risks dude..there are no controlled clinical trials that link any type of health risk to the use of artificial sweetners. And ones that do are with rats and require an insane amount of consumption and we all know the problems with observational studies so i wont go there
    Aspartame has been linked to health problems in many studies. I personally know people who get violent headaches when partaking of something that they are unaware has aspartame.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff View Post
    Aspartame has been linked to health problems in many studies. I personally know people who get violent headaches when partaking of something that they are unaware has aspartame.
    I know kids who will suffer from eating a peanut....
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by chris223 View Post
    People have adverse reactions to vitamin C.
    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I know kids who will suffer from eating a peanut....
    These are the kinds of post that dumb down the forum impeding constructive debate

  9. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff

    These are the kinds of post that dumb down the forum impeding constructive debate
    I thought Adams made a good point to be honest....

    Edit: matter of fact they both made sense.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff View Post
    Aspartame has been linked to health problems in many studies. I personally know people who get violent headaches when partaking of something that they are unaware has aspartame.
    i guess i might have to explain why i didnt address OBSERVATIONAL studies..as i said there are no controlled clinical trials that links aspartame to any sort of health risks. Observational studies have way too many variables to always come up with an accurate conclusion such as people thinking that using zero calorie sweetener justifies or offsets eating a ton of calories

  11. Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    I thought Adams made a good point to be honest....

    Edit: matter of fact they both made sense.
    When a debate is taking place. It really does not matter what the debate. For our case lets just say we are discussing the benefits and antioxidants in dark chocolate. Then in jumps Sammy with his red herring of chocolate being bad for dogs. Vit. C nor peanuts are under discussion these are simply thrown in the mix to muddy the waters.
    "hey man who knows if aspartame is bad or not but who cares when you can have to much C" "yeah dude peanuts cause reactions in certain people so the fact that aspartame is unhealthy is not valid."

  12. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff View Post
    These are the kinds of post that dumb down the forum impeding constructive debate
    You come here making highly variable opinions with no research besides what you heard.

    My comment was very pertinent to the debate because you are throwing out a useless fact about your friends who get headache from a diet coke.

    I know people who fart from milk.

    You know what they have in common with this debate? Nothing.

    if you want to make useless general comments that you think are supporting your claim, just expect an equally ridiculous comment back. Now post up some real information from a credible source and we can discuss it.

    Post up your "bad " research of the ones you think are bad, and away we will go.

    From my gathering, you support the OPs premise. Of which promoting the use of say stevia over sucralose... of which stevia has research showing infertility in rat models, and being a possible DNA mutagen.

    A. Yamada et al.: Chronic toxicity study of dietary stevia extracts in F344 rats. J. Food Hyg Soc Japan 26:169-183, 1985.




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  13. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff View Post
    When a debate is taking place. It really does not matter what the debate. For our case lets just say we are discussing the benefits and antioxidants in dark chocolate. Then in jumps Sammy with his red herring of chocolate being bad for dogs. Vit. C nor peanuts are under discussion these are simply thrown in the mix to muddy the waters.
    "hey man who knows if aspartame is bad or not but who cares when you can have to much C" "yeah dude peanuts cause reactions in certain people so the fact that aspartame is unhealthy is not valid."
    im sure they were trying to illustrate the fact that anyone can have a reaction to anything because everyones body is differnt so to say that aspartame is unhealthy jus because a few people may or might have have experienced side effects is just like saying because some people go into anaphalactic shock after eating a peanut they are therefore unhealthy? just look at all the facts i have provided bro.yet those who are trying to argue the facts have not provided any of your own

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You come here making highly variable opinions with no research besides what you heard.

    My comment was very pertinent to the debate because you are throwing out a useless fact about your friends who get headache from a diet coke.

    I know people who fart from milk.

    You know what they have in common with this debate? Nothing.

    if you want to make useless general comments that you think are supporting your claim, just expect an equally ridiculous comment back. Now post up some real information from a credible source and we can discuss it.

    Post up your "bad " research of the ones you think are bad, and away we will go.



    From my gathering, you support the OPs premise. Of which promoting the use of say stevia over sucralose... of which stevia has research showing infertility in rat models, and being a possible DNA mutagen.



    A. Yamada et al.: Chronic toxicity study of dietary stevia extracts in F344 rats. J. Food Hyg Soc Japan 26:169-183, 1985.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=Pub Med&list_uids=9598301&dopt=Abs tract


    damn i wish i could rep you again..these guys are rediculous

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You come here making highly variable opinions with no research besides what you heard.

    My comment was very pertinent to the debate because you are throwing out a useless fact about your friends who get headache from a diet coke.

    I know people who fart from milk.

    You know what they have in common with this debate? Nothing.

    if you want to make useless general comments that you think are supporting your claim, just expect an equally ridiculous comment back. Now post up some real information from a credible source and we can discuss it.

    Post up your "bad " research of the ones you think are bad, and away we will go.

    From my gathering, you support the OPs premise. Of which promoting the use of say stevia over sucralose... of which stevia has research showing infertility in rat models, and being a possible DNA mutagen.
    I can't believe you posted an article by David Schardt of all people. You know people who fart from milk? Very mature. I do not have the posting power to link, furthermore I am on no crusade here to take the time to translate these studies here myself. It is enough for me to know that those who are following this thread and are concerned about their health have had this brought to their attention, to research or not. To find out for themselves.

  16. Considering negging OP. I'm all up for debate, but the reason behind the neg is so that impressionable lurkers don't take him seriously. There's nothing worse than a forum that propagates misinformation.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Considering negging OP. I'm all up for debate, but the reason behind the neg is so that impressionable lurkers don't take him seriously. There's nothing worse than a forum that propagates misinformation.
    Funny you should say that as SNS is one of my more prefered brands with many of their products like their agmatine being without all the...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thills View Post
    Funny you should say that as SNS is one of my more prefered brands with many of their products like their agmatine being without all the...
    Well I thank you for choosing SNS; you made a wise decision. And obviously I didn't neg you.

    That said, artificial sweeteners have more safety studies than any supplement you ingest. That's right, sucralose is likely safer than basic vitamins like Vitamin C and folate. They have been tested at megadoses (acute megadoses will present with symptoms of toxicity more strongly than chronic, small doses) with no ill effect.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thills View Post
    Funny you should say that as SNS is one of my more prefered brands with many of their products like their agmatine being without all the...
    Affiliations never have any bearing on debates.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    That said, artificial sweeteners have more safety studies than any supplement you ingest. That's right, sucralose is likely safer than basic vitamins like Vitamin C and folate. They have been tested at megadoses (acute megadoses will present with symptoms of toxicity more strongly than chronic, small doses) with no ill effect.
    This. I tried to ignore this thread this morning because artificial sweetener threads never end well. When confronted with studies the activists always resort to vague experiences that are supposed to add up to something I guess.

  21. Why do i always read these threads????
    All posts by mattys4 are the result of a very creative imagination and should not be considered advice nor taken seriously

  22. I love aspartame

    as I sip on my 44oz diet cherry limeade
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by PreciseNstuff View Post
    I can't believe you posted an article by David Schardt of all people. You know people who fart from milk? Very mature. I do not have the posting power to link, furthermore I am on no crusade here to take the time to translate these studies here myself. It is enough for me to know that those who are following this thread and are concerned about their health have had this brought to their attention, to research or not. To find out for themselves.
    I like this post and am happy that the issue has been brought to the attention of members concerned about their heatlh.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by thills View Post
    I like this post and am happy that the issue has been brought to the attention of members concerned about their heatlh.
    You act as though this is a new topic or there is some peer-reviewed data to back up your claims.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  25. My head hurts

    BTW did you guys know there exist a diet grape juice? I'm so excited about this!
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