Anacyclus Pyrethrum products: MAN vs. PES

[p5sky]

Both companies have products with Anacyclus Pyrethrum, so considering cost and effective doses which is the most cost effective dose? I know that Anabeta is a great product with a strong following, I have yet to try Anabeta Elite. Can MAN compete with the original formula?

[jimbuick]

Both companies have products with Anacyclus Pyrethrum, so considering cost and effective doses which is the most cost effective dose? I know that Anabeta is a great product with a strong following, I have yet to try Anabeta Elite. Can MAN compete with the original formula?

Its the same dose in both isn't it? MANs has a few extra goodies I'm not familiar with, so whichever is cheaper....

[mr.cooper69]

Both contain anacyclus pyrethrum at essentially equivalent doses.

Anabeta Elite uses Sabinsa 95 forskolin and 7-keto at full doses.

PR-XT uses brassaiopsis glomerulata raw plant at 10:1 concentration. I've researched this ingredient quite a bit, and there are a couple key compounds that need to be heavily extracted for if any beneficial effect is to be observed. You'd probably need 200g of the 10:1 plant, not 100 mg, to get enough of those actives. N-Coumaroyl and caffeoyl-dopamine (especially the latter) are both pharmacologically bunk. The vitamin D dose is nice, but a recent study showed that that very dose increased fat mass and reduced LBM in healthy trainees. If you are vitamin D deficient, then I'd consider it a good thing.

All in all, I'd probably even take OG anabeta over pr-xt, since pr-xt has potential to create side effects with no upside (nausea from the "purported" dopamine pro drugs if taken on an empty stomach, vit D dose, zinc + multi with zinc, etc).

[jimbuick]

Both contain anacyclus pyrethrum at essentially equivalent doses.

Anabeta Elite uses Sabinsa 95 forskolin and 7-keto at full doses.

PR-XT uses brassaiopsis glomerulata raw plant. I've researched this ingredient quite a bit, and there are a couple key compounds that need to be heavily extracted for if any beneficial effect is to be observed. You'd probably need 2 kg of the raw plant, not 100 mg, to get enough of those actives. N-Coumaroyl and caffeoyl-dopamine (especially the latter) are both pharmacologically bunk. The vitamin D dose is nice, but a recent study showed that that very dose increased fat mass and reduced LBM in healthy trainees. If you are vitamin D deficient, then I'd consider it a good thing.

All in all, I'd probably even take OG anabeta over pr-xt, since pr-xt has potential to create side effects with no upside (nausea from the "purported" dopamine pro drugs if taken on an empty stomach, vit D dose, zinc + multi with zinc, etc).

I stand corrected.

[kbayne]

AB/ABE FTW.

[T-Bone]

Anabeta or Anabeta Elite. No copycats!.

[PrepNwa23]

Anabeta Elite for sure trumps most products out there in my opinion. Plus like Coop said Anabeta Elite uses Sabinsa 95 forskolin and 7-keto. That high of an extract of forskolin isn't cheap. Especially since it isn't bunk.

[bolt10]

Considering you can usually find AB for some pretty good deals and the fact that I am obsessed with it and Forskolin I doubt my AB/ABE stash will be challenged.

[R1balla]

ABE for a cut, AB for a bulk. wouldnt go anything different

[boogerboy]

The name PR-XT does not inspire me, if MAN wanted to get people's attention and intrigue them about the product the name could've been MANabeta. That way people would have the name recognition of MAN along with the positive reputation of PES Anabeta.

That name is a 2-fer!

[Clemenza]

Didn't MAN rip off Erase Pro also?

I understand everyone's gotta make a buck but come on. I've got much more respect for the company that brings the innovation to the table like PES.

For this reason alone I'd go with Anabeta / Anabeta Elite.

[kevinhy]

Didn't MAN rip off Erase Pro also?

I understand everyone's gotta make a buck but come on. I've got much more respect for the company that brings the innovation to the table like PES.

For this reason alone I'd go with Anabeta / Anabeta Elite.

Yup. Gotta support the guys who had the original idea!

[R1balla]

Yup. Gotta support the guys who had the original idea!

yep. same goes with any company.

[USPlabsRep]

Both contain anacyclus pyrethrum at essentially equivalent doses.

Anabeta Elite uses Sabinsa 95 forskolin and 7-keto at full doses.

PR-XT uses brassaiopsis glomerulata raw plant at 10:1 concentration. I've researched this ingredient quite a bit, and there are a couple key compounds that need to be heavily extracted for if any beneficial effect is to be observed. You'd probably need 200g of the 10:1 plant, not 100 mg, to get enough of those actives. N-Coumaroyl and caffeoyl-dopamine (especially the latter) are both pharmacologically bunk. The vitamin D dose is nice, but a recent study showed that that very dose increased fat mass and reduced LBM in healthy trainees. If you are vitamin D deficient, then I'd consider it a good thing.

All in all, I'd probably even take OG anabeta over pr-xt, since pr-xt has potential to create side effects with no upside (nausea from the "purported" dopamine pro drugs if taken on an empty stomach, vit D dose, zinc + multi with zinc, etc).

Extracted to concentrate would be an expensive task. I had one compound made (and testing) and another in the works made synthetically. Crossing my fingers on blood work!

If you use the Dopamines, you quickly understand something is at play. Until Half life is studied its an educated guess. The great world of debate at play. Caffeo at around 100mgs produces a mild stimulant effect.

[mr.cooper69]

Extracted to concentrate would be an expensive task. I had one compound made (and testing) and another in the works made synthetically. Crossing my fingers on blood work!

If you use the Dopamines, you quickly understand something is at play. Until Half life is studied its an educated guess. The great world of debate at play. Caffeo at around 100mgs produces a mild stimulant effect.

Yeah, I agree. I too have found issues acquiring an optimal concentration of a given active in an extract, but in the case of Brassaiopsis, I already know that a properly extracted form exists. And it certainly is not 10:1 .

I'm not even going to touch the dopamine issue because we all know where that will end up. I will say that I've furthered my personal knowledge in biochem quite a bit since then, and I still stand by my previous stance, if perhaps slightly less extreme (with respect to halflife, which I do not believe to be the only limiting factor).

I also do believe that co-administration with certain compounds, none of which are found in Pr-XT, can improve endpoint effects.

[USPlabsRep]

Yeah, I agree. I too have found issues acquiring an optimal concentration of a given active in an extract, but in the case of Brassaiopsis, I already know that a properly extracted form exists. And it certainly is not 10:1 .

I'm not even going to touch the dopamine issue because we all know where that will end up. I will say that I've furthered my personal knowledge in biochem quite a bit since then, and I still stand by my previous stance, if perhaps slightly less extreme (with respect to halflife, which I do not believe to be the only limiting factor).

I also do believe that co-administration with certain compounds, none of which are found in Pr-XT, can improve endpoint effects.

if we are talking of the same compounds which i think we probably are reaching a concentration that lowers estrogen could prove difficult but as you know, there could be 50 other non idenified compounds at work making an extract the better option.

Send it my way and we can have it tested for concentration.

[mr.cooper69]

if we are talking of the same compounds which i think we probably are reaching a concentration that lowers estrogen could prove difficult but as you know, there could be 50 other non idenified compounds at work making an extract the better option. Send it my way and we can have it tested for concentration.

I am not speaking so much as a concentrated compound as I am about standardization for a specific compound(s).I will gladly take the latter offer .

[hsk]

After reading this thread and going to check out the product pages and profiles of MAN Nolvadren-XT and MAN PR-XT, the first thing that comes to mind is the old saying "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". So I hope Natty and the rest of the PES team are feeling the flattery.

Btw, I would like to say that I appreciate companies like PES/Synthetic Supplements and SNS to name a few for not using fancy slick marketing write-ups. They just put the effort into producing good quality products at a good value and let the products speak for themselves. This alone makes me want to support those companies.

[bdcc]

After reading this thread and going to check out the product pages and profiles of MAN Nolvadren-XT and MAN PR-XT, the first thing that comes to mind is the old saying "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". So I hope Natty and the rest of the PES team are feeling the flattery.

Btw, I would like to say that I appreciate companies like PES/Synthetic Supplements and SNS to name a few for not using fancy slick marketing write-ups. They just put the effort into producing good quality products at a good value and let the products speak for themselves. This alone makes me want to support those companies.

Thank you.

I haven't commented on the release of either product and my stance will remain the same on that. I just wanted to thank you for saying this.

Ben

[Clemenza]

Thank you.

I haven't commented on the release of either product and my stance will remain the same on that. I just wanted to thank you for saying this.

Ben

I've noticed this from both you and all the PES reps.

You guys are a class act