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    Quote Originally Posted by FourInchFury View Post
    Have you ever taken a step back and thought about how you could really be harming your body by taking all these muscle gain / energy supplements? The FDA doesn't do studies on them. Most of them are too new for anyone to know the potential long-term side effects. The recent Hydroxycut recall is evidence that these products can be dangerous. And using common sense, it's clear our bodies didn't evolve while being exposed to all these synthetic chemicals, so the potential for long-term damage is huge.What's wrong with achieving your goals the 100% natural way? Just sayin'

    The FDA approves plenty of substances that turn out to be harmful so I would not assume that their approval 100% guarantees safety. You caould also apply your logic to many of the things found in the common diet. Preservatives, pesticides and so on were never in our diet 100's of years ago. Our bodies did not evolve with hammer strength and ellipticals either. I think it would be hard to doubt the safety of many supplements since they are found in the food supply. Many more people die every year from NSAIDS than have ever died from supplements yet they are OTC and considered safe. If you eliminate the people that have died from improperly using supplements, ie exceeding recommended dose or disregarding warning labels, you would be hard pressed to find many issues.

    As far as doing it naturally who cares. I have terrible eye sight should I stay natural and not wear glasses? Do as you please and allow others to do the same.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    The FDA approves plenty of substances that turn out to be harmful so I would not assume that their approval 100% guarantees safety. You caould also apply your logic to many of the things found in the common diet. Preservatives, pesticides and so on were never in our diet 100's of years ago. Our bodies did not evolve with hammer strength and ellipticals either. I think it would be hard to doubt the safety of many supplements since they are found in the food supply. Many more people die every year from NSAIDS than have ever died from supplements yet they are OTC and considered safe. If you eliminate the people that have died from improperly using supplements, ie exceeding recommended dose or disregarding warning labels, you would be hard pressed to find many issues.

    As far as doing it naturally who cares. I have terrible eye sight should I stay natural and not wear glasses? Do as you please and allow others to do the same.
    Fact. There are so many damn recalls and what not on drugs. FDA approved drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red9 View Post
    As for why I think they are reliable and reputable...i cant think of another company that produces and markets like they do. I can literally go to almost any supplement shop, in store or online, and will find tons of NOW products from their line-up. Hihealth, G.N.C., vitamin shoppe, tommys, NutraPlanet, *******, Orbit, NutritionArsenal, shoot even my local vitamin store and half of the local food stores and drug strores around.

    I think they strive to make quality products at prices that are very reasonably priced and that your average customer/consumer can afford.

    As for the label claims, NOW is far from the only company who might have had a "slip up" in purity or meeting label claims. If you hold up 5 of your favorite supplements, I'd be willing to say that probably 2 of those, their company has had the same issue of meeting exact label claims (whether we know about it or not) !
    Sounds like a pretty good point. I'll still stick with the companies that never seen to have failures or at least less than NOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by gahcase21
    Sounds like a pretty good point. I'll still stick with the companies that never seen to have failures or at least less than NOW
    That's the beautiful thing about America..you are free to do as you choose. Do whatever you feel is best.
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    Wow now were wondering whether or not to take supplements..... lol.... lets see if we can start veering off and talk about 200 dollars monthly for steroid cycles..... lol....
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    Heck naw dw.... your already pro.... leave it for the little guys! :P
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    $200 dollars:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy
    $200 dollars:

    Orange Triad (Multi Vitamin)
    Scivation Whey (proteinz)
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    Oh wow onion man in the house!!!! Sry everytime i see you i think if that log you did of eating a bazillion onions... lol
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    ModernBCAA (currently 19.99 @ NP!!!)
    creatine mono ($15)
    5lbs protein ($40)
    AP ($28)
    Bulk-Pslin ($20)
    Glycofuse ($38)

    Then you have about $40 for whatever else, if a pre-workout tickles your fancy maybe go that route. Maybe an all in one test booster like TestPowder?

    You can leave that $40 for whatever phase you may be doing as the "icing" on the cake, so to speak.
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    Hmm 200 doll hairs?

    Slintensity or a GDA of choice
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    Creatine mono or MCC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water
    ModernBCAA (currently 19.99 @ NP!!!)
    creatine mono ($15)
    5lbs protein ($40)
    AP ($28)
    Bulk-Pslin ($20)
    Glycofuse ($38)

    Then you have about $40 for whatever else, if a pre-workout tickles your fancy maybe go that route. Maybe an all in one test booster like TestPowder?

    You can leave that $40 for whatever phase you may be doing as the "icing" on the cake, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    Ok new usp rep
    ;-) Look back at my OG logs, I'm an AP & P-Slin whore.

    If I had any, I'd send you some ModernBCAA samples. Forget the 8:1:1 leucine ratio, taste & mix ability alone will have you sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water

    ;-) Look back at my OG logs, I'm an AP & P-Slin whore.

    If I had any, I'd send you some ModernBCAA samples. Forget the 8:1:1 leucine ratio, taste & mix ability alone will have you sold.
    I was a pslin fan back in the day.. i just had a hard time figureing out the dosages... and when to eat and such... hmmm that good huh? Well i might have to get some... im due for some bcaas.. time to get back into training... im still on a Break
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    I was a pslin fan back in the day.. i just had a hard time figureing out the dosages... and when to eat and such... hmmm that good huh? Well i might have to get some... im due for some bcaas.. time to get back into training... im still on a Break
    If you need help with the dosing, shoot me a PM. I've tried about 7,567,712 different ways and I think I got it down :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water

    If you need help with the dosing, shoot me a PM. I've tried about 7,567,712 different ways and I think I got it down :-D
    7567712!!! Wow... guess you would be the pro. . Ight holms i gotta buy it first... ill def be talkin to you later
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    Cold filtered isolate
    High MW carb like KarboLoad
    Ajipure BCAA/EAA
    Creatine HCL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Cold filtered isolate
    High MW carb like KarboLoad
    Ajipure BCAA/EAA
    Creatine HCL

    -Matt
    OOOO i think ill go with the matt stack! Suprised no pslin or something similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87 View Post
    OOOO i think ill go with the matt stack! Suprised no pslin or something similar?
    I wouldn't. You are essentially overpaying for isolate (vs WPC), designer carbs (versus food), ajipure ffAAs (versus basic, third-party tested), and creatine HCl (versus monohydrate). You can get an equally effective stack, using the items in paranthesis, for 1/3 the cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I wouldn't. You are essentially overpaying for isolate (vs WPC), designer carbs (versus food), ajipure ffAAs (versus basic, third-party tested), and creatine HCl (versus monohydrate). You can get an equally effective stack, using the items in paranthesis, for 1/3 the cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Cold filtered isolate
    High MW carb like KarboLoad
    Ajipure BCAA/EAA
    Creatine HCL

    -Matt
    WHat amount/ratio of BCAAs to EAAs would you recommend for an intra workout drink?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I wouldn't. You are essentially overpaying for isolate (vs WPC), designer carbs (versus food), ajipure ffAAs (versus basic, third-party tested), and creatine HCl (versus monohydrate). You can get an equally effective stack, using the items in paranthesis, for 1/3 the cost.
    Thats not the point of this thread. He has the money for it monthly like the thread title says, so thats what would he prefer. Everyone has their own preferences and what they feel works best for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I wouldn't. You are essentially overpaying for isolate (vs WPC), designer carbs (versus food), ajipure ffAAs (versus basic, third-party tested), and creatine HCl (versus monohydrate). You can get an equally effective stack, using the items in paranthesis, for 1/3 the cost.
    With the carb argument, have you tried some of these designer carbs? They affect me in a major different way.

    50gr dextrose v. WMS v. Oats v. Karbolyn, are all different especially with the addition of p-Slin or AP or slintensity etc.... Those are my thoughts, especially from my belly's standpoint, he's a picky guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post

    Thats not the point of this thread. He has the money for it monthly like the thread title says, so thats what would he prefer. Everyone has their own preferences and what they feel works best for them.
    Yay!!!!! Someone that gets the thread!!!! Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    With the carb argument, have you tried some of these designer carbs? They affect me in a major different way.

    50gr dextrose v. WMS v. Oats v. Karbolyn, are all different especially with the addition of p-Slin or AP or slintensity etc.... Those are my thoughts, especially from my belly's standpoint, he's a picky guy.
    I just read you can take both ap and pslin together since there essentially two differrnt products. Just turns into a pretty intense fat attack along with gh similar attributes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    I just read you can take both ap and pslin together since there essentially two differrnt products. Just turns into a pretty intense fat attack along with gh similar attributes...
    As a stack or as taking 1 of each, pre meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    As a stack or as taking 1 of each, pre meal?
    Stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    Stack
    Oh, you sure can my friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    Oh, you sure can my friend!
    Might go hypoglycemic lol
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    Goodness.. I don't think I could even spend that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourInchFury View Post
    Have you ever taken a step back and thought about how you could really be harming your body by taking all these muscle gain / energy supplements? The FDA doesn't do studies on them. Most of them are too new for anyone to know the potential long-term side effects. The recent Hydroxycut recall is evidence that these products can be dangerous. And using common sense, it's clear our bodies didn't evolve while being exposed to all these synthetic chemicals, so the potential for long-term damage is huge.What's wrong with achieving your goals the 100% natural way? Just sayin'
    How is America to push the boundaries of science without experimentation?! Give your body to science, like the rest of us! Where's your sense of patriotism, Commy?!

    I'm a walking personal experiment, and I can sleep with that. You can't ever really know long-term results of doing anything; too many variables between an individual. Best bet is to listen to your body & get routine bloodwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I wouldn't. You are essentially overpaying for isolate (vs WPC), designer carbs (versus food), ajipure ffAAs (versus basic, third-party tested), and creatine HCl (versus monohydrate). You can get an equally effective stack, using the items in paranthesis, for 1/3 the cost.

    I would.

    I notice a difference with a pure cold filtered isolate to a cheap 'costco' whey concentrate.

    I can down 200g of karboload/vitargo with no stomach discomfort and eat whole food 45 mins later,

    I cannot down that much in rice or oats and eat in 45 mins --- I am after utmost calories for building an 'abnormally'

    large physique.

    I like Ajipure aminos, but perhaps a 3rd party tested version could suffice.

    As for creatine HCL --- yes, mono has been proven, but from empirical experience and a positive universal feedback,

    why not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post
    WHat amount/ratio of BCAAs to EAAs would you recommend for an intra workout drink?

    I like 20g of either bcaa/eaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post
    Thats not the point of this thread. He has the money for it monthly like the thread title says, so thats what would he prefer. Everyone has their own preferences and what they feel works best for them.
    If you are rich, does that mean you waste money? This isn't really a matter of preference given the body of literature on whey isolate versus alternatives, or high MW carbs, etc.

    If he has so much to spend on supplements per month, he can buy more/better things rather than wasting $$. I'm a firm believer that you should be a smart shopper regardless of financial status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    I would.

    I notice a difference with a pure cold filtered isolate to a cheap 'costco' whey concentrate.

    I can down 200g of karboload/vitargo with no stomach discomfort and eat whole food 45 mins later,

    I cannot down that much in rice or oats and eat in 45 mins --- I am after utmost calories for building an 'abnormally'

    large physique.

    I like Ajipure aminos, but perhaps a 3rd party tested version could suffice.

    As for creatine HCL --- yes, mono has been proven, but from empirical experience and a positive universal feedback,

    why not...

    -Matt
    What difference do you notice between WPI and WPC? You may have lactose intolerance if what you're saying is true.

    I see what you're saying with designer carbs, but dextrose can have an identical effect.

    HCl is far more expensive than monohydrate per daily dose. It has improved kinetics and can saturate an individual faster, but once saturation has been achieved, monohydrate and cre hcl are essentially equal.
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    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    What difference do you notice between WPI and WPC? You may have lactose intolerance if what you're saying is true.

    I see what you're saying with designer carbs, but dextrose can have an identical effect.

    HCl is far more expensive than monohydrate per daily dose. It has improved kinetics and can saturate an individual faster, but once saturation has been achieved, monohydrate and cre hcl are essentially equal.

    I do suffer from lactose intolerance so a higher quality WPI will be in my best interest.

    Dextrose has a high osmolality and will just delay gastric emptying too much for what I am trying to achieve.

    I need to consume a lot of food and I need things to breakdown and assimilate quickly. I know what works for my body.

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    I think this is all very theoretical, or will be in the future. Now that Obamacare will be rolling out, no one will have $200 to spend on anything.

    My insurance rates have increased over 20% - already this year.
  

  
 

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