What are your Top 3 must have supplements
- 11-27-2012, 06:54 AM
- 11-27-2012, 08:31 AM
- 11-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by thills
Also not sure what shilajit has to do with anything at all....
It isn't in prime and I was under the impression you had some groundbreaking studies on the ingredients in prime.
Also that is not a study. That is a website trying to sell product. As it turns out the full text could hold entirely different information than just the bits that are helpful to the seller.
11-27-2012, 09:25 AM
11-27-2012, 09:36 AM
Shilajit has proven to raise t level in multiple studies, and I used that simply as one example for you.
As to Prime, I do not know why you would be under that impression. If I had groundbreaking studies on the ingredients in Prime I would not have disagreed with you about the lack of evidence supporting it, which in turn charged you into informing me that the only worth while supplements with studies on them are Creatine and DAA.
I replied that this was not so and I stand by that.
11-27-2012, 09:41 AM
For those of you that actually believe half of these hyped products actually work to raise test, why not do a before and after run with labs to see if it actually worked. My bet would be that 95% would see nothing or the most minimal gains.
We know that time proven basics like creatine, citrulline, and beta alanine work, but all these test products? haha
11-27-2012, 11:09 AM
I didn't say the study was no good because a sales site is using it. I pointed out that the link you provided was not to any study and that the full text could be very different.Originally Posted by thills
Also note my comments about studies in young, active males in relation to the goals of bodybuilding and your rebuttal was a study on "infertile men ages 30-45."
How does that relate to bodybuilders or athletes for any sort of performance enhancement?
Thus proving my point that the majority of studies on supplement ingredients is not necessarily applicable to the majority of people that buy them as dietary supplements on this forum.
11-27-2012, 11:30 AM
11-27-2012, 11:37 AM
11-27-2012, 11:43 AM
11-27-2012, 11:45 AM
11-27-2012, 12:27 PM
Are they going to create a steroid like effect, no but that is not what I thought we were discussing.
Sense you seem to be so focused on this one study I will dole out another to you.
In a placebo-controlled study, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, a statistically significant increase in strength and arm circumference was achieved with an extract of Eurycoma longifolia. A 2008 study concluded that Eurycoma longifolia is capable of suppressing estrogens which are potent inhibitors of testosterone production.
Thus your thinking that Creatine and DAA are the only natural compounds that have studies behind them is very far from the truth.
11-27-2012, 12:32 PM
I still don't get why you guys continue to slap fight over "studies" and the marketing page for the supplement. The best and only way to know if it actually works is to get real life numbers for yourself. Everyone knows that herbals affect everyone differently, so if 10 guys had success, it doesn't mean it is going to do jack for you.
11-27-2012, 12:40 PM
1. I always run either a test booster i.e. t911/ Form-x or a prohormone like PH19/M1d Black. I gotta keep that test high if I wanna grow!
2. Protein is the building block of muscle so I'm always using a protein supp and amino supp... lipotropic and Bc-EAA
3.creatine. It is one of the most scientifically studied supplements for increasing athletic performance so I make sure to use it pre and post training. LG Sciences Epic and Postal offer plenty of creatine right during the times that its most beneficial.
Nothing I say constitutes medical advice. Please check with your medical professional before starting any diet or exercise program.
11-27-2012, 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by jimbuickOriginally Posted by thillsNever under contention huh?Originally Posted by jimbuick
I think you should leave now, before you make yourself look stupider than you are.Originally Posted by thills
11-27-2012, 01:38 PM
No the statement was not true in the sense that there are indeed many studies that are APPLICABLE to athletes. This does not mean that they are designed specifically with athletes in mind. What you fail to see is that as an athlete or bodybuilder you may benefit form a wide range of compounds depending on your situation, the majority of which would help the non-athlete as well.
11-27-2012, 02:30 PM
11-27-2012, 03:10 PM
A study on 40 year old, infertile, inactive males is not really applicable to most athletes.Originally Posted by thills
Many of these studies don't take into account the hormonal response to proper diet and exercise so the rise seen in the average, older man may not be present in a younger athlete.
11-27-2012, 03:27 PM
When I buy a product I research each single ingredient first and 6 times out of 10 you will find at least some kind of study supporting, at least to some extent what the product claims to do.
11-27-2012, 03:34 PM
I am not arguing the fact that there are studies. I am arguing the belief that nothing without studies works.Originally Posted by thills
The main ingredient in Anabeta has been shown to increase testosterone, the study was done after the release of Anabeta. By your reasoning Anabeta would have been worthless and ineffective, even though anecdotal evidence showed otherwise, not until the study was published does the product work.
11-27-2012, 03:35 PM
11-27-2012, 03:45 PM
11-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Read the reviews on some of these products. How many times do you think the consumer will be fooled by slick claims before they decide not to trust that particular company.
11-27-2012, 03:47 PM
11-27-2012, 03:49 PM
I didnt have good results with prime. However I do love some of their other stuff
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11-27-2012, 04:21 PM
I've used the vast majority of USPlabs products and I know that everyone will react differently to different compounds but seeing as they still produce it I am going to go ahead and assume I am not the only one that has had success with it.Originally Posted by thills
Sounds like you hate advertisement in general.
11-27-2012, 04:56 PM
One has to take everything that every supplement company says (involved in BBing or sports in general) with a rather large grain of salt. Its basically a function of an over-saturated market with each company hoping to make the next big thing. In order to survive, they all must compete for attention from a crowd of muscle head wannabe's with ADHD. I'm not forgiving the companies their sins per se, but once you learn to read past the gloss and get a sense of what a product really is doing based on anecdotal assessments from trusted peers, the bitter pill goes down a bit smoother.
11-27-2012, 06:10 PM
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