Caffiene free Focus XT Crash

**CATdiesel76** · 11-20-2012 06:52 PM

I purchased some stim free Focus XT a few weeks back. I have used it probably about 4 different times. I definitely get some great focus out of it but an hour or so after the effects kick in I crash hard. I tried it with stims as well to see if it helped but I crash even harder. I feel exhausted and slightly nausiated the rest of the day and it sucks.

For those of you more experienced in nootropics any idea on what might be causing this? Does anyone have any suggestions that might help stop the crashing effect?

I love the Focus I get from it but its not worth the crash I get. If there was some way more experienced users know of to prevent this I would love to know as it would make this an awesome product.

Thanks for the help

**domore** · 11-20-2012 11:09 PM

In for intelligent responses.

**mr.cooper69** · 11-20-2012 11:46 PM

To be honest, this really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Focus XT has SEVERAL full-dosed ingredients, so my concern is that interactions with other supplements may be causing issues. That, or you are hypersensitive to choline and need to lower the dose (with Hup A being at fault for that). What other supplements are you using?

**CATdiesel76** · 11-21-2012 12:20 AM

Right now I am only using Achilles (joint support) and basics. I have tried it by itself twice, once more with caffeine, and once again with a dose of clearshot. Also, once with Purus Labs Condense. I have crashed with everyone of the above combinations. The crash is worse when paired with stims. But no matter how I have taken it, I get about an hour of great focus and then can't stay awake to save my life. The crash also makes me feel slightly nauseated. I am not experienced with nootropics and I have read that some can have such crash like effects and that there are also ways to curb them. Coop I know you are an expert with this stuff so hopefully you can help.

**CATdiesel76** · 11-21-2012 12:21 AM

I really hope there is something I can do because I would love to be able to have a good focus supplement without the use of Stims and the focus from this is good until I crash

**mr.cooper69** · 11-21-2012 12:40 AM

Hmm, can you describe the crash? Does it feel as if you are coming down from stimulants?

**CATdiesel76** · 11-21-2012 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

Hmm, can you describe the crash? Does it feel as if you are coming down from stimulants?

No its a little different. I never usually crash after taking stimulants unless you count a yawn here and there which is rare.

With the focus xt I usually just get extremely exhausted and fall asleep on my desk or wherever I am at for a bit. It literally takes everything I have not to pass out. Worst case scenario I get exhausted, slight headache, slight nauseated feeling.

It does feel similar to when I would take adderall for a few days straight for finals with little food or sleep. The feeling can last an hour or for the whole rest of the day.

It is really odd and I have no idea why its happening. I will take it again sometime when I am not busy and see what happens.

**Miss Q** · 11-21-2012 01:15 PM

Interesting, wonder what's causing your crash?? Hope you figure it out.

I'm about to try the reg Focus for the 1st time....

**saggy321** · 11-22-2012 08:16 AM

Interesting...I had the opposite reaction when I used full dose for a couple of days. I struggled to sleep and every time I closed my eye I was almost dreaming before falling asleep if that makes sense. I think it was the increase in choline. I now take half a dose every other day and I'm fine...it also lasts longer.

**fightbackhxc** · 11-26-2012 09:43 PM

Yeah I agree, doesn't make much sense. I would cut the dose in half and try from there.

**CATdiesel76** · 11-28-2012 12:44 PM

I have been slammed recently and didn't want to risk trying it and crashing in the middle of a busy day. I will try half a scoop soon and report back

**CATdiesel76** · 01-04-2013 12:04 PM

Ok guys, it has been awhile but I have some updates. I tried 1/2 a scoop this time and I felt nothing good or bad. Tried another scoop with 200mg caffiene (so the same as regular focus xt) preworkout. I felt great at first with good focus. Then halfway through my workout, I crashed again, got exhausted, yawning between sets, became completely unfocused/motivated, etc. I don't know what the deal is I seem to be the only person who reacts to it like this. I will be placing the remainder of the tub in the auction section for all you fans who want a good deal. Sorry SNS. Love your other products but something in this just doesn't react well with me.

**CATdiesel76** · 01-04-2013 12:07 PM

Also, that last time I did not get the extreme crash nauseated feeling I reported earlier. Just tired but felt no other weird effects. That one time could have been do to the 1,3 and caffeine and clearshot along with focus xt being too much all at once. Who knows.

**Sprinterguy4** · 01-04-2013 05:02 PM

What are "basics" that you mentioned?

**kingjameskjf** · 01-04-2013 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by aluchez

What are "basics" that you mentioned?

oh ya know, fish oil, multi, protein, tren.

**Sprinterguy4** · 01-04-2013 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

oh ya know, fish oil, multi, protein, tren.

Lol

**Spaniard** · 01-04-2013 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by CATdiesel76

Ok guys, it has been awhile but I have some updates. I tried 1/2 a scoop this time and I felt nothing good or bad. Tried another scoop with 200mg caffiene (so the same as regular focus xt) preworkout. I felt great at first with good focus. Then halfway through my workout, I crashed again, got exhausted, yawning between sets, became completely unfocused/motivated, etc. I don't know what the deal is I seem to be the only person who reacts to it like this. I will be placing the remainder of the tub in the auction section for all you fans who want a good deal. Sorry SNS. Love your other products but something in this just doesn't react well with me.

Try 3/4's of a scoop

you went full to half. Full being too much and half nothing, maybe 3/4 will be just right. Worth a shot

- Valdez

**CATdiesel76** · 01-06-2013 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

oh ya know, fish oil, multi, protein, tren.

Haha I wish. Fish oils, joint support, multi, protein

Originally Posted by Valdez

Try 3/4's of a scoop

you went full to half. Full being too much and half nothing, maybe 3/4 will be just right. Worth a shot

- Valdez

True I guess it's worth a shot. I will report back

**mr.cooper69** · 01-06-2013 10:38 PM

Sorry it didn't work out for you man. This is the first case of a crash I've ever heard, and I still can't wrap my head around the cause. Unfortunately, nootropics are extremely user specific, and it seems like cholinergics may just not be for you

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**Celorza** · 01-06-2013 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

Sorry it didn't work out for you man. This is the first case of a crash I've ever heard, and I still can't wrap my head around the cause. Unfortunately, nootropics are extremely user specific, and it seems like cholinergics may just not be for you

.

First I hear of this too...and I actually thought Choline and Huperzine-A were dosed perfectly in FXT (at least in my case) to avoid any interactions like this

. If you do try half a scoop let us know if you feel the same or better, like coop said, cholinergics might not be your thing?

Caffiene free Focus XT Crash