Caffiene free Focus XT Crash

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  1. I noticed that If I take caff free FXT and I dont eat for a few hours, a terrible crash and brain fog follows. If i drink it with a meal I feel fine.


  2. Thanks. Come to think of it, I have always taken it on an empty stomach so I will give this a shot
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  3. A lot of people think that since its caffeine free it won't be as "stimulating". Quite the opposite is true if you're not accustomed to it or are sensitive to stims, it certainly can cause over stimulation. Nothing to worry about, it just takes a bit to harness the power that is Focus XT

    - Valdez
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    Biochemistry Major
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  4. You probably have solid levels of aCH in the brain, too much choline can cause depressive energy.
    doing my own thang!

  5. OP, this is more common than you think. I've played with various doses of Choline and have experienced a few brain crashes myself
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    A lot of people think that since its caffeine free it won't be as "stimulating". Quite the opposite is true if you're not accustomed to it or are sensitive to stims, it certainly can cause over stimulation. Nothing to worry about, it just takes a bit to harness the power that is Focus XT

    - Valdez
    Yeah but the thing is I don't notice much of an increase in focus. A slight amount, but nothing much.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    You probably have solid levels of aCH in the brain, too much choline can cause depressive energy.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    OP, this is more common than you think. I've played with various doses of Choline and have experienced a few brain crashes myself
    Im thinking this is probably the culprit. I think supplementing any additional choline probably tips me over the edge and causes me to crash.

    Thanks for all the help guys. I will probably just give this tub to a friend as it does not seem to benefit me.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    Yeah but the thing is I don't notice much of an increase in focus. A slight amount, but nothing much.





    Im thinking this is probably the culprit. I think supplementing any additional choline probably tips me over the edge and causes me to crash.

    Thanks for all the help guys. I will probably just give this tub to a friend as it does not seem to benefit me.
    How many times have you tried it?

    - Valdez
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Dan View Post
    To OP I think Coop is right with being hypersensitive to choline and the Hup A being at fault. I sampled CF focus XT a few times and then bought a bottle. After a few servings I experienced the same issues with this weird feeling of fatigue and nausea as well.

    Interestingly enough I have also used the Stim version and never once felt those effects. To SNS reps, is there perhaps an added ingredient to the CF version then the stim version that would causes those issues?
    Just the caffeine but the caffeine does seem to counter some of the crash effects that users report.

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Dan View Post
    To OP I think Coop is right with being hypersensitive to choline and the Hup A being at fault. I sampled CF focus XT a few times and then bought a bottle. After a few servings I experienced the same issues with this weird feeling of fatigue and nausea as well.

    Interestingly enough I have also used the Stim version and never once felt those effects. To SNS reps, is there perhaps an added ingredient to the CF version then the stim version that would causes those issues?
    I think the only additional ingredient is 200mg of caffeine. I have tried taking it in conjunction with 200mg caffeine and it did not help anything.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    How many times have you tried it?

    - Valdez
    About 9 times. Different doses, with and without caffeine, 1,3, even ephedrine. Crash with all of them. 3/4 is the closest thing I have found to a sweet spot but I am kind of tired of experimenting with something where I know I will crash after.

    I am very experienced with different stimulants but not so much nootropics besides some phenibut here and there. This was my first venture so I am not sure how the separate ingredients effect me yet. I am assuming it is the choline as everyone else has mentioned. I can't recall what other supplements I have tried with choline so I am not positive. I believe enhanced has choline in it as well but the yohimbe extract masked any other sides I would have noticed. Hypersensitive to anything yohimbe based

  11. Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    About 9 times. Different doses, with and without caffeine, 1,3, even ephedrine. Crash with all of them. 3/4 is the closest thing I have found to a sweet spot but I am kind of tired of experimenting with something where I know I will crash after.

    I am very experienced with different stimulants but not so much nootropics besides some phenibut here and there. This was my first venture so I am not sure how the separate ingredients effect me yet. I am assuming it is the choline as everyone else has mentioned. I can't recall what other supplements I have tried with choline so I am not positive. I believe enhanced has choline in it as well but the yohimbe extract masked any other sides I would have noticed. Hypersensitive to anything yohimbe based
    Lol A for effort! Thank you for giving it a try man!!

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Lol A for effort! Thank you for giving it a try man!!

    - Valdez
    Haha of course man it was worth a shot. Its not like the stuff is hard on the wallet or anything.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    Haha of course man it was worth a shot. Its not like the stuff is hard on the wallet or anything.
    Good attitude!

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post

    Good attitude!

    - Valdez
    I drink coffee all day caffeine doesn't effect me: /
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I drink coffee all day caffeine doesn't effect me: /
    Caffeine is like crack for me no joke lol!!! I take focus with caffeine and I get euphoric its crazy man
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post

    Caffeine is like crack for me no joke lol!!! I take focus with caffeine and I get euphoric its crazy man
    - Valdez
    You smoking that crack pipe brah?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    You smoking that crack pipe brah?
    Mehbeh... if DAT FOCUS is crack lol!!

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  18. Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    About 9 times. Different doses, with and without caffeine, 1,3, even ephedrine. Crash with all of them. 3/4 is the closest thing I have found to a sweet spot but I am kind of tired of experimenting with something where I know I will crash after.

    I am very experienced with different stimulants but not so much nootropics besides some phenibut here and there. This was my first venture so I am not sure how the separate ingredients effect me yet. I am assuming it is the choline as everyone else has mentioned. I can't recall what other supplements I have tried with choline so I am not positive. I believe enhanced has choline in it as well but the yohimbe extract masked any other sides I would have noticed. Hypersensitive to anything yohimbe based
    Many folks report the same thing - including me. Anything more than 1/2 scoop and I just tanked my workout. I tried just about everything - CF focus XT is now something I use at work (1/4 scoop) when I need to host a meeting etc.. but it has no business in anything to do with my workouts. It's not the choline either, cause I take choline at similar doses and it does not bother me...
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