[BrKonman]

I use the holosync program from Centerpointe. This is the one that claims numerous longterm benefits.
http://www.centerpointe.com/
Its pretty expensive, I've only got the introduction CD.
There are much cheaper entrainment cd's available on Ebay, they should work about the same.

I've also used the Series XIII:Whales cd from Brainwave Mind Voyages.
http://brainwave-entrainment.com/
It works great for 20-minute powernaps.

Just a quick note for those interested in brainwave entrainment... I've been studying and utilizing it off and on since the mid/late 90's, and I've found that the commercial quality ones are nice, but nothing compares to one that I create myself utilizing shareware software (bwgen.com, and search on yahoo groups) and cooledit or soundforge. Best results come from customized entrainment programs, much like weight training And they work for many other areas. I've even combined entrainment with Metallica and Slipknot songs to get me hyped and focused beyond belief just before an MMA match or workout.

Definitely an interesting area to do some research. For a great list of references regarding brainwave entrainment I highly suggest checking out:
http://www.neuroacoustic.com/registry/references.htm


Oh, and I'm sure you can find the holosync tapes on shareazaa or bit torrent (I picked up about 15 of them back when audiogalaxy was around.)

[BrKonman]

Hmmm...that is quite interesting. I am not denying that it works for you, but I would love to see some studies on this.

The references used in the article --
http://www.neuroacoustic.com/registr...leresearch.htm -- are a great starting point.

And just so I don't get too off topic from the post (sorry) I used melatonin for about 3 weeks straight at 6 mg, to combat having too much stress on my mind when trying to sleep, and I found it took me almost as long when I stopped using it to get back to normal sleep. I like it for short term, specific use, but not long term. Just not a fan of dependency on anything really.

[shootmeagain]

I tend to agree. In absence of conclusive long-term data, I believe I'll stick to melatonin use when there is some specific reason for needing temporary/short-term help in getting a good night's rest.

[Physicist]

BrKonman, thanks for the site. It'll take a while to go through it, but thanks.

I found this article on pubmed today, thought you guys might like to see it.
Suggests that healthy middle-aged men taking melatonin might have lower quality sperm and decreased estradiol. This is a very small smaple size (8 men), so I looked for more studies but couldn't find anything useful.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12065466

[fatty]

anyone try high dosages? I've used upwards of 40mg per night just to see what happens. Must say it is quite pleasant. Not something I do everyday, only occasionaly

[Longdog]

I've been taking 12mg every night, & I have taken up to 21mg.

I found a study somewhere where subjects were taking like 70mg daily over a period of years, with no ill effects. I actually did a lot of research on the toxicity after my 18lb dog ate a 3mg tab I dropped. I figure that would be like me taking 40mg, the dog was fine.