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    lesser known info about creatine:


    I read an excerpt in my A&P book that says '' ''ingesting extra creatine decreases the body's own synthesis of creatine, and it is not known whether natural synthesis recovers after long-term creatine supplementation.''

    Anyone ever read this?

    Something to think about for those who supplement creatine year round 'cause it's 'safe'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast
    I read an excerpt in my A&P book that says '' ''ingesting extra creatine decreases the body's own synthesis of creatine, and it is not known whether natural synthesis recovers after long-term creatine supplementation.''

    Anyone ever read this?

    Something to think about for those who supplement creatine year round 'cause it's 'safe'.
    Good find. I've been using it for probably six months straight and the past two weeks been clean with nothing negative to report.
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    It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
    If you recommend consuming only on workout days I am guessing you have an argument against the whole 10g a day til saturated approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    If you recommend consuming only on workout days I am guessing you have an argument against the whole 10g a day til saturated approach.
    5g daily for one month (to saturation), then about 3-5g on workout days only thereafter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    5g daily for one month (to saturation), then about 3-5g on workout days only thereafter.
    How much time off between doses until the muscles are considered no longer saturated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    How much time off between doses until the muscles are considered no longer saturated?
    There's no set value but maintenance doses have been determined to be far less than what was initially observed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    5g daily for one month (to saturation), then about 3-5g on workout days only thereafter.
    Studies support progressive saturation (3-6g/day) rather than supersaturation (10-20g) for maximum performance and capacity. Also more is held within the muscle cell than the extracellular matrix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
    I started to adopt this protocol as well and I agree it seems to work much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I started to adopt this protocol as well and I agree it seems to work much better.
    Same. I very rarely supplement creatine if I am not working out.
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    Good thread guys. I've used this dosing method over the years unintentionally. I would just always forget to take it on my off days. And it always worked out fine for me.
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    I've cycled off unintentionally, or by choice when I drop from ALL supplementation and/or training. I would still say I'm on it 9out of 12 months a year. Hmm, may reevaluate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Good thread guys. I've used this dosing method over the years unintentionally. I would just always forget to take it on my off days. And it always worked out fine for me.
    That is basically what started it. I don't think about it on days I don't workout.
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    20gr/day 7 days a week, 52weeks/ year :rockon:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    20gr/day 7 days a week, 52weeks/ year :rockon:

    srs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza

    srs?
    What's that mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    What's that mean?
    haha I always thought it was short for "serious" lol. Woops
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza

    haha I always thought it was short for "serious" lol. Woops
    Could be, I'm an old man when it comes to you young'ns slang :-p

    Yeah I did it while I was in juco, not 365 but I didn't cycle off much. Maybe placebo but I felt better/fuller/stronger at 20gr a day vs. 5, 10 or 15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water

    Could be, I'm an old man when it comes to you young'ns slang :-p

    Yeah I did it while I was in juco, not 365 but I didn't cycle off much. Maybe placebo but I felt better/fuller/stronger at 20gr a day vs. 5, 10 or 15
    A friend of mine has always done it like that too and swears by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    20gr/day 7 days a week, 52weeks/ year :rockon:
    Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
    Really? Interesting read I'm sure.
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    But I heard creatine was steroids ......


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
    Coop, have you seen multiple studies on this? I've only been able to find the original from Merwe in 2009.

    I noticed my thinning start when I started using creatine regularly, but that's when I was around 19, so I always wondered if there was a connection or coincidence.

    I do think there are many other factors that cause hair loss. Other hormones, insulin problems etc.

    I remember using finasteride and my hair falling out even more along with even more scalp inflammation. So maybe dht isn't what's causing my hair loss.

    I've about given up and about to start shaving my.head again.
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    ^I've been having this same issue and can't figure it out. Sometimes the top starts thinning, other times its fine. I have a perscription for propescia but don't want to fill it if I know natural remedies can be had. Started dosing Saw Palmetto 3x daily, considering my options. Maybe just dropping creatine out for a while and see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
    Correct me if I'm wrong coop but isn't this dependent upon the person's genetic predisposition for MPB? I know large amounts of DHT over time can certainly accelerate MPB, but some men don't seem to ever have this issue regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong coop but isn't this dependent upon the person's genetic predisposition for MPB? I know large amounts of DHT over time can certainly accelerate MPB, but some men don't seem to ever have this issue regardless.
    You're correct. All I'm saying is mega-dosing creatine = bad. Using at equally effective, reasonable doses = good.
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    I've always suggested that method but didn't know about DHT. I just knew it for extracellular water retention and overall performance to be better when not overdosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You're correct. All I'm saying is mega-dosing creatine = bad. Using at equally effective, reasonable doses = good.
    oh ok, gotcha and agreed completely! Kinda reminds me of those mega dosing BCAA's.
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