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    As it pertains to GABA, how do you all dose? My tablets are 750 mg, and lately I've been taking 4 (3000 mg pre-bed). I notice sometimes if I take it too close with my ZMA, I get shortness of breath, so I space them out by 40 min or so. I've read 5000 mg is the optimum dose, but for that I'm assuming doses would have to be multiple.

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    3-5g. Timing with ZMA was just a coincidence. The shortness of breath is purely a function of the peripheral effects of GABA
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    3-5g. Timing with ZMA was just a coincidence. The shortness of breath is purely a function of the peripheral effects of GABA
    Taken all at once? Shortness of breath is a side of large GABA dose...that can't be good, but it helps me have wonderful sleep. Should GABA be cycled off? I was going to do a 4 week break of all supps, not including vitamins/minerals
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Taken all at once? Shortness of breath is a side of large GABA dose...that can't be good, but it helps me have wonderful sleep. Should GABA be cycled off? I was going to do a 4 week break of all supps, not including vitamins/minerals
    Yes, but if you get shortness of breath like me, you can lower the dose. The HGH release may not be as profound, but who cares? I take 1g pre-bed.

    The shortness of breath is totally benign. If you can suck it up and deal, then do so. Yes you should cycle GABA.
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    maybe talk to an endocrinologist, if you're having problems just feeling normal without supplementation I'd say that's a sign that you may have something seriously wrong with you and of the supplements you listed I would go with magnesium as its the only one that's absolutely essential in your diet and something athletes have a tendency to be deficient in.

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    Gonna try regular Fenugreek first.


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    I'm on the metagenic fenugreek plus check it out. A lil expensive but worth it. I done labs to confirm .
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    Sigh. I will now defer to the line that the Hodge Twins use to end all of their Youtube videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Sigh. I will now defer to the line that the Hodge Twins use to end all of their Youtube videos.
    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?
    LMFAO funniest thing I've read all day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969

    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?
    lol awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Yes, but if you get shortness of breath like me, you can lower the dose. The HGH release may not be as profound, but who cares? I take 1g pre-bed.

    The shortness of breath is totally benign. If you can suck it up and deal, then do so. Yes you should cycle GABA.
    What kind of cycle frame? 8 weeks on 4 weeks off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    What kind of cycle frame? 8 weeks on 4 weeks off?
    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?
    agreed. I got in the habit of taking it nightly, after a while it messed with my sleep in a negative way. toss and turned, bizarre dreams, ect

    definetly follow mr coopers advice on that one
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    Fenugreek seems like a poor test boosting ingredient based on the anecdotal evidence posted around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?
    Hmmm...so you are suggesting to use it for occasional sleeplessness
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    My concern is that I've been taking it nightly for 10 weeks. Hopefully there's no dependency issues, but I may gradually come off by slowly lowering dose, or replace it with melatonin which also works great for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    My concern is that I've been taking it nightly for 10 weeks. Hopefully there's no dependency issues, but I may gradually come off by slowly lowering dose, or replace it with melatonin which also works great for me
    There is no dependency issue. Its effects aren't central (unlike, say, phenibut). Melatonin at 250mcg-1mg is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    There is no dependency issue. Its effects aren't central (unlike, say, phenibut). Melatonin at 250mcg-1mg is great.
    I have 5 mg melatonin tabs that I use on rare occasions. Anything less than that may not have desired effect for me... That's good to know about GABA not causing dependency...whew! Funny you mention phenibut, I have that too and use it once or twice a week. I am mindful of its use, as I've read stories of people getting hooked
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I have 5 mg melatonin tabs that I use on rare occasions. Anything less than that may not have desired effect for me... That's good to know about GABA not causing dependency...whew! Funny you mention phenibut, I have that too and use it once or twice a week. I am mindful of its use, as I've read stories of people getting hooked
    Eh, I'd try a lower dose of melatonin. Don't always let correlation of a poor night's sleep be indicative of the causative effects of melatonin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Horny Goat Weed - no effect on mood, boosts libido
    GABA - relaxant
    Fenugreek - no effect on mood, boosts libido, boosts estrogen
    Magnesium - relaxant at high doses
    Long Jack- no effect on mood, boosts libido
    Maca - no effect on mood, boosts libido
    I beg to differ on HGW. When i was taking NP 50% bulk powder(500-700mg) caps I made I experienced aggression, random boners & more which all affect your mood! I think anything which effects libido will directly effect your mood! Ive never taken Maca long enough at high doses to notice anything however!

    P.S. Love reading all your replies on the board Coop, keep it up! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I beg to differ on HGW. When i was taking NP 50% bulk powder(500-700mg) caps I made I experienced aggression, random boners & more which all affect your mood! I think anything which effects libido will directly effect your mood! Ive never taken Maca long enough at high doses to notice anything however!

    P.S. Love reading all your replies on the board Coop, keep it up! )
    Yeah, I'm kinda going by the classical psychology definition of mood (relating to depression, anxiety, etc) as opposed to the common, everyday definition.

    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    I support your obsession.
    I am the same way.

    I have an order from Iherb that I`m waiting for:
    NOW Maca 200g
    Source Naturals Horny Goat Weed 1000mg 120 tabs
    Action Labs LongJax 200:1
    NOW Tribulus 1000 mg 90 tabs
    AI Sports Testopro(Fenugreek included)

    Unfortunately I have only used longjack and tribulus yet.

    In fact I can not live without tribulus.


    I never get depressed lately,and I`m a very depressed person otherwise,needing SSRIs 4-5 months out of the year.

    I don`t really see any side effects yet,been taking it for 6 months.
    Apart from it being addictive IMO(I am addicted to the normal mood and libido I get from it,I am never out of stock)

    Longjack(tongkat) is awesome for this purpose too.
    I just received my package in the mail.

    It was customed.

    I had to pay 30$.

    From now on the state and me are no longer friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Eh, I'd try a lower dose of melatonin. Don't always let correlation of a poor night's sleep be indicative of the causative effects of melatonin.
    Is it best to take GABA, melatonin, phenibut on empty stomach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Is it best to take GABA, melatonin, phenibut on empty stomach?
    Yea
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    Now Men's Virility Power

    maca 100mg
    Trib 75mg
    Eoimedium (horny goat weed) 375mg


    Has more ****, to lazy to list rest.

    Pretty legit, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylez View Post
    Now Men's Virility Power

    maca 100mg
    Trib 75mg
    Eoimedium (horny goat weed) 375mg


    Has more ****, to lazy to list rest.

    Pretty legit, no?
    Seems horribly underdosed. And unstandardized
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Seems horribly underdosed. And unstandardized

    Im taking 3x. So triple it and its not terrible but it will do till I order individual
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    Maca is not really a supplement. It's food. Crank up the dose and see how it affects you. Try 10g or more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylez View Post
    Im taking 3x. So triple it and its not terrible but it will do till I order individual
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Seems horribly underdosed. And unstandardized
    Hey coop, i recall reading somewhere on the forum that glutamine is a waste of time because the body cannot absorb or assimilate it. Any truth to this? The reason I ask is because I'm taking a 4 week break from all supps (not including vitamins) and wanted to take a BCAA/glutamine drink pre and post workout during these 4 weeks.
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