Horny Goat Weed, GABA, Fenugreek, Magnesium, Long Jack, or Maca

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  1. I'm on the metagenic fenugreek plus check it out. A lil expensive but worth it. I done labs to confirm .


  2. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    I'm on the metagenic fenugreek plus check it out. A lil expensive but worth it. I done labs to confirm .
    A 6.5:1 extract containing a minimum of 70% soluble fiber? So in other words, mostly just a waste of space, and the parts that they did use are just concentrated estrogenic compounds. Great!And it is no wonder this lowers your blood glucose. It contains gymnema sylvestre and bitter melon, both of which can potently reduce insulin output and dispose of blood glucose. You, sir, have been fooled.
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  3. Every one response differently Mrcopper69 try it for two months 4 pills a day get labs after two months. Get labs before and after. It works for me, improved my mood, enhance my test levels not worried about about estrogen I'm on letro.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    Every one response differently Mrcopper69 try it for two months 4 pills a day get labs after two months. Get labs before and after. It works for me, improved my mood, enhance my test levels not worried about about estrogen I'm on letro.
    No thanks. I know what the ingredients do. And I'm not on letro.

  5. you sure that wasnt the letro effecting your test levels there?
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  6. As it pertains to GABA, how do you all dose? My tablets are 750 mg, and lately I've been taking 4 (3000 mg pre-bed). I notice sometimes if I take it too close with my ZMA, I get shortness of breath, so I space them out by 40 min or so. I've read 5000 mg is the optimum dose, but for that I'm assuming doses would have to be multiple.

  7. 3-5g. Timing with ZMA was just a coincidence. The shortness of breath is purely a function of the peripheral effects of GABA

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    3-5g. Timing with ZMA was just a coincidence. The shortness of breath is purely a function of the peripheral effects of GABA
    Taken all at once? Shortness of breath is a side of large GABA dose...that can't be good, but it helps me have wonderful sleep. Should GABA be cycled off? I was going to do a 4 week break of all supps, not including vitamins/minerals

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    Taken all at once? Shortness of breath is a side of large GABA dose...that can't be good, but it helps me have wonderful sleep. Should GABA be cycled off? I was going to do a 4 week break of all supps, not including vitamins/minerals
    Yes, but if you get shortness of breath like me, you can lower the dose. The HGH release may not be as profound, but who cares? I take 1g pre-bed.

    The shortness of breath is totally benign. If you can suck it up and deal, then do so. Yes you should cycle GABA.

  10. maybe talk to an endocrinologist, if you're having problems just feeling normal without supplementation I'd say that's a sign that you may have something seriously wrong with you and of the supplements you listed I would go with magnesium as its the only one that's absolutely essential in your diet and something athletes have a tendency to be deficient in.

    GO TO THE DOCTOR

  11. Gonna try regular Fenugreek first.


    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    I'm on the metagenic fenugreek plus check it out. A lil expensive but worth it. I done labs to confirm .

  12. Sigh. I will now defer to the line that the Hodge Twins use to end all of their Youtube videos.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Sigh. I will now defer to the line that the Hodge Twins use to end all of their Youtube videos.
    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?
    LMFAO funniest thing I've read all day

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Est1969

    If I stack Fenugreek with Tribulus, what kind of PCT should I use? Clomid?
    lol awesome
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Yes, but if you get shortness of breath like me, you can lower the dose. The HGH release may not be as profound, but who cares? I take 1g pre-bed.

    The shortness of breath is totally benign. If you can suck it up and deal, then do so. Yes you should cycle GABA.
    What kind of cycle frame? 8 weeks on 4 weeks off?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    What kind of cycle frame? 8 weeks on 4 weeks off?
    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?
    agreed. I got in the habit of taking it nightly, after a while it messed with my sleep in a negative way. toss and turned, bizarre dreams, ect

    definetly follow mr coopers advice on that one
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  19. Fenugreek seems like a poor test boosting ingredient based on the anecdotal evidence posted around here.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    GABA is a relaxant. Why not just use it only on nights during which it is bed time and you are wide awake?
    Hmmm...so you are suggesting to use it for occasional sleeplessness

  21. My concern is that I've been taking it nightly for 10 weeks. Hopefully there's no dependency issues, but I may gradually come off by slowly lowering dose, or replace it with melatonin which also works great for me

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    My concern is that I've been taking it nightly for 10 weeks. Hopefully there's no dependency issues, but I may gradually come off by slowly lowering dose, or replace it with melatonin which also works great for me
    There is no dependency issue. Its effects aren't central (unlike, say, phenibut). Melatonin at 250mcg-1mg is great.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    There is no dependency issue. Its effects aren't central (unlike, say, phenibut). Melatonin at 250mcg-1mg is great.
    I have 5 mg melatonin tabs that I use on rare occasions. Anything less than that may not have desired effect for me... That's good to know about GABA not causing dependency...whew! Funny you mention phenibut, I have that too and use it once or twice a week. I am mindful of its use, as I've read stories of people getting hooked

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rockme View Post
    I have 5 mg melatonin tabs that I use on rare occasions. Anything less than that may not have desired effect for me... That's good to know about GABA not causing dependency...whew! Funny you mention phenibut, I have that too and use it once or twice a week. I am mindful of its use, as I've read stories of people getting hooked
    Eh, I'd try a lower dose of melatonin. Don't always let correlation of a poor night's sleep be indicative of the causative effects of melatonin.
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