- 10-26-2012, 04:28 PM
I am really fascinated withand it's ability to attenuate the negative effects of exercise induced cortisol.
I am also seeing a correlation with naturally high cortisol levels and environmentally provoked high cortisol levels and lowered Testosterone production.
It would seem that PhosphatidylSerine would be ideal in a Post Cycle Therapy as an "indirect T booster" via -->cortisol lowering pathways.
It also looks like phospholipids will serve as a major catalyst in the biosynthesis of cholesterol-->testosterone conversion.
EndoAmp became 'sexy' to me again....just kind of forgot about it.
- 10-26-2012, 04:38 PM
What if I told you that exercise-induced cortisol is correlated with increased LBM and may actually be a beneficial adaptation for hypertrophy? Would you still be so staunchly behind the effects of PS (which I love by the way, but definitely not for the reasons you mentioned)?
10-26-2012, 04:40 PM
10-26-2012, 04:41 PM
Much like administering antioxidants periworkout to reduce exercise-induced ROS, I think it would be a rather dumb idea to use an anti-cortisol supplement around workout times: Associations of exercise-induced hormone profiles and gains in strength and hypertrophy in a large cohort after weight training. If not for that reason, then because exercise is a great time for lipolysis to occur, a process which will be blunted if you reduce cortisol prematurely. Conversely, in muscle tissue, cortisol is really only catabolic to muscle protein in a chronically elevated, unnatural state.
So while Matt is correct in saying PS is a pretty versatile ingredient, he likes it for all the wrong reasons.
10-26-2012, 04:43 PM
10-26-2012, 04:45 PM
M.S. Exercise Physiology
ACSM: Certified Clinical Exercise Specialist
10-26-2012, 04:50 PM
10-26-2012, 06:41 PM
Sub'd for more info. Subject has always kind of interested me. In general I always felt that these things may be detrimental for reasons posted in link, etc.
Coop I know you like , so do the same ideas hold for dosing of that and around workouts (or I guess not around them)?
10-26-2012, 07:28 PM
Reduce XT and Anabeta Elite do not reduce cortisol, but rather have an impact on an enzyme related to cortisol predominantly in adipose, resulting in fat deposition/adipogenesis. See the link above: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exerc...ml#post3682355.
10-26-2012, 07:33 PM
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10-27-2012, 12:11 PM
Subbng for info because I feel PS is highly underrated for its benefits partially because the know abouts aren't out in the open.
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10-27-2012, 12:19 PM
Really awesome thread.Originally Posted by Movin_weight
I like where the discussion is going on stress induced cortisol vs. Exercise induced.
"Jackie Treehorn treats objects like woman man."
10-27-2012, 01:18 PM
yes he mentions exercise-induced cortisol but i don't think that specific timing scenario is what he had in mind..just one of the many benefits, to wipe out any worry when PS supplementation is incurred on a daily basis..
i also thoroughly enjoy this for pct - matt you know i love EndoAMP and TRS.
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10-27-2012, 09:28 PM
Ohhh I misread that.
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10-29-2012, 01:23 PM
I was mostly concerned with its use as a PCT adjunct. Also, perhaps making steroids work better.
What references do you have the show cortisol promotes hypertrophy or anabolism? This is good info coop.
I definitely understand cortisol effects that come about in natural 'acute' ways like through exertion through exercise and its ability
to promote lipolysis ,, but how does this affect LbM accrual? I am more concerned about tipping the favor of utmost muscle growth , rather than oxidizing fatty acids.
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