GDA, Insulin mim and repartitioner

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    Hey guys,

    sorry for digging up this old thread but im still super confused about this whole GDA thing.

    So GDAs are supposed to shuttle carbs/glucose into the glycogen stores of our muscles and at the same time keep them away from the fat cells. Well thats at least what it says on the description of my bottle of AP...

    But then again i read that nutrients are non-selectively shuttled to both fat and muscle:



    (quote is from page 1 of this thread)

    Doesnt this mean GDAs are completely useless if youre cutting? Even counter-productive, since it will be easier for nutrients/carbs to go into fat cells...

    This is so confusing, since so u can find so many positive reviews of people who are using GDAs for cutting...
    Please read, quite literally, the post above yours...


  2. I did read it again now, but it leaves me as wise as before to be honest.

    This whole thing isnt easy if english isnt your first language

    So lets see if i got things right:

    1. GDAs are for health reasons only
    2. They cant be used for body recomp at all, especially not to block carbs from fat cells but shuttle them into muscles
    3. All the people who claim to gain lean mass with GDAs like AP or even claim to gain mass and lose fat at the same time are liars (or its placebo effect...)

    Please correct me if im wrong in any of these...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    I did read it again now, but it leaves me as wise as before to be honest.

    This whole thing isnt easy if english isnt your first language

    So lets see if i got things right:

    1. GDAs are for health reasons only
    2. They cant be used for body recomp at all, especially not to block carbs from fat cells but shuttle them into muscles
    3. All the people who claim to gain lean mass with GDAs like AP or even claim to gain mass and lose fat at the same time are liars (or its placebo effect...)

    Please correct me if im wrong in any of these...
    1. Incorrect. Insulin has a variety of feedback mechanisms in the body, such as blockade of HSL, that prevents fat loss. Reducing insulin will create a more lipolytic environment, even if the carbs are "shuttled" to all tissues.
    2. See above
    3. See above

  4. Ok, i think i got it now, thank you

    Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    Ok, i think i got it now, thank you

    Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    Ok, i think i got it now, thank you

    Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
    You could look into NForce by MAN sports. Definitely underated
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    Ok, i think i got it now, thank you

    Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
    Burn 24, recompadrol, glycophase, or AP

  8. coming soon iForce GDA

  9. Ok, i think ill try all of these and see which one works best for me.

    Thanks to everyone, especially to mr.cooper69!

  10. Recompadrol.
    Coop hit the nail on the head.
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  11. It does the job of the insulin for you so your insulin will be more sensitive. That's about the only benefit I've seen.

  12. I vote for Burn24. I'm not 100% on how GDAs work but just anecdotal-ly, I feel like Burn24 has helped me with better optimization of nutrients usage.

  13. Coop do you think certain ingredients like corosolic acid can actually shuttle carbs to muscle instead of fat by translocating glut 4 in skeletal muscle?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Coop do you think certain ingredients like corosolic acid can actually shuttle carbs to muscle instead of fat by translocating glut 4 in skeletal muscle?
    Nope. Typically, when you see only muscle mentioned, it's because they simply didn't analyze fat tissue

  15. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    You could look into NForce by MAN sports. Definitely underated
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nope. Typically, when you see only muscle mentioned, it's because they simply didn't analyze fat tissue
    So if youre looking to lose fat the only reasonable times to take GDAs are when the glycogen stores of your muscles are empty, right? i.e. in the morning and after your workout. Taking GDAs at other times will inevitable result in gaining some fat...?

    (Sorry if i still didnt get it but this is a very complex topic imo)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Paramount View Post
    So if youre looking to lose fat the only reasonable times to take GDAs are when the glycogen stores of your muscles are empty, right? i.e. in the morning and after your workout. Taking GDAs at other times will inevitable result in gaining some fat...?

    (Sorry if i still didnt get it but this is a very complex topic imo)
    Calories in calories out man. You will burn fat in the absence of sufficient caloric intake.

  18. No. GDAs are reasonable at any time you ingest carbs

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    Yes. I did not even realize there where 2 versions until I went browsing on Nutraplanet. The formulas are completely different, and the new one is a few bucks cheaper.

    No they aren't, they are completely the same. The only difference is the bottle and amount of caps.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post

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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Woah. This is a steal.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    Shameless Plug in again!!

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    That glycophase intro deal is awesome. I'm going to grab one, and also the Alphamine/Burn24 deal.

    Here's a question..
    I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks for 2nd anniversary and wife's 30th bday.
    I have been dieting at 1800-2300 cals for last 2 weeks and dropped 10lbs. We have some fancy dinners, lunches, and a lot of drinking that will happen. Would Burn24, glycophase, or MP be useful? Are any ok to use while drinking? Or like I have planned is it best to just go have fun, and worry about it when I get back?

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    That glycophase intro deal is awesome. I'm going to grab one, and also the Alphamine/Burn24 deal.

    Here's a question..
    I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks for 2nd anniversary and wife's 30th bday.
    I have been dieting at 1800-2300 cals for last 2 weeks and dropped 10lbs. We have some fancy dinners, lunches, and a lot of drinking that will happen. Would Burn24, glycophase, or MP be useful? Are any ok to use while drinking? Or like I have planned is it best to just go have fun, and worry about it when I get back?

    Sorry about formatting, hard to tell on my phone
    Of course they are, grab some Metabolic Powder or RK-500's from SNS and dose Glyco and Metabolic Powder or RK-500'S before a high carb+high fat meal!

    Prior to heavy drinking I would recommend 2-3g ALCAR though, it has neuroprotective qualities that will help ameliorate the damage of dipping your brain in booze and having it sit there for some hours! !
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
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    That price is ridiculous. And what makes it so much better is that you can use those Used Product Containers to get more free stuff..

    Ok, now i'm done
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post



    That price is ridiculous. And what makes it so much better is that you can use those Used Product Containers to get more free stuff..

    Ok, now i'm done
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post

    That glycophase intro deal is awesome. I'm going to grab one, and also the Alphamine/Burn24 deal.

    Here's a question..
    I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks for 2nd anniversary and wife's 30th bday.
    I have been dieting at 1800-2300 cals for last 2 weeks and dropped 10lbs. We have some fancy dinners, lunches, and a lot of drinking that will happen. Would Burn24, glycophase, or MP be useful? Are any ok to use while drinking? Or like I have planned is it best to just go have fun, and worry about it when I get back?

    Sorry about formatting, hard to tell on my phone
    Metabolic powder can be used while drinking ive done it before. Metabolic powder had rk in it which was studied in a high fat environment which generally accompanied by eating out. Plus you have dosing leaniency for the meals

    I'd use glycophase pre and mp during if you have both

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  29. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Got two on the way .
    Awesome steal! Reminds me that I need more Creatine..
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Awesome steal! Reminds me that I need more Creatine..
    I'm gonna have quite a few SNS products for the deal you guys having going on.
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