GDA, Insulin mim and repartitioner

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza

    Love AP. Can't go wrong with either of these two
    Which do you prefer, the new or OG formula?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    Which do you prefer, the new or OG formula?
    I haven't tried the OG SS, only SS 2. Both have had great reviews
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman

    Which do you prefer, the new or OG formula?
    You referring to AP?
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative

  4. Nutraplanet's very own Na-R-ALA + SNS Agmatine 100g powder is IMO the most effective combo out there, and a great deal money-wise once you pay the upfront cost for the bulk powders.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Nutraplanet's very own Na-R-ALA + SNS Agmatine 100g powder is IMO the most effective combo out there, and a great deal money-wise once you pay the upfront cost for the bulk powders.
    What dosage of each before carb meals would you recommend? Or how would you dose it?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nutraplanet's very own Na-R-ALA + SNS Agmatine 100g powder is IMO the most effective combo out there, and a great deal money-wise once you pay the upfront cost for the bulk powders.
    I was thinking of making my own simple GDA with those two. Also, may include pterostilbene.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    What dosage of each before carb meals would you recommend? Or how would you dose it?
    300mg Na-R-ALA, 1g Agmatine, once to twice daily

  8. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    I was thinking of making my own simple GDA with those two. Also, may include pterostilbene.
    You stealin my favorites again bro????

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You stealin my favorites again bro????
    We have similar tastes

    Would PA's R Spray have an impact on blood sugar levels (since it being transdermal)?

    Will you check out my post in the agmatine dose thread about dosing agmatine with food vs. post-workout?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    We have similar tastes

    Would PA's R Spray have an impact on blood sugar levels (since it being transdermal)?

    Will you check out my post in the agmatine dose thread about dosing agmatine with food vs. post-workout?
    Yes it would because it's still being delivery systemically if I'm not mistaken.

    Got a link to the thread?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Slin Sane 2 is a fantastic GDA. Really allows you to get great sustaining energy from your carbs and great vascularity and dryness as well.

    On my list to try, i've been on an r-ala kick lately. Previously used recompadrol until i couldn't find it anymore, and anabolic pump.

    Mike
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    300mg Na-R-ALA, 1g Agmatine, once to twice daily
    You the man, man
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes it would because it's still being delivery systemically if I'm not mistaken.

    Got a link to the thread?
    Awesome. I'm torn between both. I think I will go with pterostilbene when I make my next purchase. Then, I'll give PA's R spray a shot.

    Agmatine Dose

  14. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Awesome. I'm torn between both. I think I will go with pterostilbene when I make my next purchase. Then, I'll give PA's R spray a shot.

    Agmatine Dose
    They would theoretically work best ​together

  15. Always been slightly intrigued by pterostilbene but never really researched enough about dosage, timing, etc. When you guys talk about it which is the best product to look at? Biotivia's PteroMax?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    You referring to AP?


    Yes. I did not even realize there where 2 versions until I went browsing on Nutraplanet. The formulas are completely different, and the new one is a few bucks cheaper.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    On my list to try, i've been on an r-ala kick lately. Previously used recompadrol until i couldn't find it anymore, and anabolic pump.

    Mike
    Recompadrol is at the planet

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    They would theoretically work best ​together
    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Always been slightly intrigued by pterostilbene but never really researched enough about dosage, timing, etc. When you guys talk about it which is the best product to look at? Biotivia's PteroMax?
    PteroMax is a nice combination product.

    How do you think Pterostilbene works transdermally? It would be neat to buy some in bulk from BAC and mix it with PA's R spray. (If the dosing worked correctly)
    Last edited by domore; 10-28-2012 at 11:08 AM. Reason: Caveat

  19. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman

    Yes. I did not even realize there where 2 versions until I went browsing on Nutraplanet. The formulas are completely different, and the new one is a few bucks cheaper.

    "New" 60cap
    [B]Phellodendron[B] (Bark), Crape Mertle ([B]Lagerstroemia Speciosia[B])(Stem) (Extract)

    750 mg **

    "Old" 90cap
    P-Insulin Engineered Extract from

    [B]Phellodendron[B]

    Tannins Complex Engineered Extract from
    My phones messing up....edit
    [B]Lagerstroemia Speciosa[B]

    700 mg

    Active extracts in bold, notice anything

    EDIT: phones messing up, it's all bold. :-(
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    "New" 60cap
    [B]Phellodendron[B] (Bark), Crape Mertle ([B]Lagerstroemia Speciosia[B])(Stem) (Extract)

    750 mg **

    "Old" 90cap
    P-Insulin Engineered Extract from

    [B]Phellodendron[B]

    Tannins Complex Engineered Extract from
    My phones messing up....edit
    [B]Lagerstroemia Speciosa[B]

    700 mg

    Active extracts in bold, notice anything

    EDIT: phones messing up, it's all bold. :-(

    Ahh so the same, the new just has a little more active. The description I looked at did not have everything labeled that way and it looked like a completely different product. Thanks.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    To clarify

    Insulin mimicker: works via the pi3k pathway (insulin pathway) which activates glut 4 in muscle and fat tissue for the uptake of glucose. Pure mimetics IMO are best suites post workout. (agmAtine in high dose and very few select others vs ect)

    GDA : these dispose of glucose via alpha amylase or a- glucosidase. Or carbohydrate blockers

    The reason why these are used interchangeable is due to the effect GDA are often stimulating pi3k and ppar a. There fore they also stimulate uptake into cells. Just less. These are best taken any meals. ( I still like it post workout as most GDA don't block uptake of monosaccharides but block disaccharides or polysaccharides)

    Hope this potentially helps people
    Thanks ...it helps, it make me think that I have to study more, this help but add at the same time CONFUSION .. LOL
    So in the Recompadrol (that I like so much), which compounds can be more related to be a GDA and wich one the IM?
    and the Agmatine (not in the complex) can be considered a IM?

    -Garcinia Cambogia (50% HCA)
    , Berberine HCI (98%),
    Salacia Reticulata Extract,
    Gymnema Sylvestre (75% Gymnemic Acids),
    Banaba Leaf (20% Corosolic Acid),
    Vanadyl Sulfate,
    Aminoguanidine

  22. I have ingredients that act as both. Vs and salacia act as mimetic and GDA.

  23. So ... why I can't see any GDA/insulin Mim/repartitioners (as Recompadrol,Slinsane, AP, P-slim ecc..) WITH White Bean extract??.
    This can be added if one of the mechanism of the GDA's is the partial Inhibition of alpha mailase... I'm wrong ? In addition it seems that ONLY the complex carbohydrates are affected.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pectus View Post
    So ... why I can't see any GDA/insulin Mim/repartitioners (as Recompadrol,Slinsane, AP, P-slim ecc..) WITH White Bean extract??.
    This can be added if one of the mechanism of the GDA's is the partial Inhibition of alpha mailase... I'm wrong ? In addition it seems that ONLY the complex carbohydrates are affected.
    A. How can something dispose of blood glucose if its modality is endogenous enzyme inhibition?
    B. Numerous ingredients found in GDAs inhibit digestive enzymes. Virtually every popular GDA on the market has such an ingredient, or multiple.
    C. Of course only complex carbs are affected. Simple carbs are already in a digested form (no enzymes necessary) and ready for absorption.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    A. How can something dispose of blood glucose if its modality is endogenous enzyme inhibition?
    B. Numerous ingredients found in GDAs inhibit digestive enzymes. Virtually every popular GDA on the market has such an ingredient, or multiple.
    C. Of course only complex carbs are affected. Simple carbs are already in a digested form (no enzymes necessary) and ready for absorption.
    I'm confused on what you say in A) and B). it seems you are saying (with A) that Is stupid to inhibit enzyme (I think you are referring to Alpha amilase) and with B) you are saying that many (if not all) GDA's HAS such kind of ingredients..
    Im confused on what you wanted to say. (i'm happy YOU are in this thread)

    Probably is only a language problem and I can't understand what you are saying (Im Italian)


    C ) OK .

    Then I add and I try to be concise (not my main quality LOL).
    Basically Id like to know WHY these Gda's products works so good on me,
    me that I'm mainly also a NON-responder on supplements.

    SO I ask again: WHY, IF there is NO scientific reason to say that they forces or prefer the muscle to feed,
    they works so well? and what is the insulin (like) action?.

    With these GDA's (fed or fasting in hypocaloric or Ipercaloric, trained or not trained with more carbs or less)
    I feel always FULL, ripped, dry, shredded and full of glycogen, with energy and without fat accumulation EVEN if I eat 50,60, 80 g
    of carbs more than usual and I'm over 200-300 Kcal more per day!

    This action is LIKE ALL nutrients goes REALLY ONLY to muscles!

    I do not understand if they act as synergic, agonist, antagonis to insulin. If they lower or raise the REAL insulin action, if
    they acts as substitute/complementary of insulin and if it desiderabele to have more or less (real insuline) AND WHEN.

    So if they acts like insulin (in a way), why NOT using straight INSULIN or wait that the endogenous one will appears after a rich glucidic meal?
    This question made me think that probably the key (or one of the keys) is that we USE GDA's BEFORE meal and that
    endogenous insuline appears ONLY when the meal is finished.

    It's like using an "insuline like thing" BEFORE meal make happens ONLY good things, AND having
    insulin AFTER the meal leads either to good things (expecailly if post training where we need insulin and glut4 are well
    positioned and traslocated from the inner muscle cell to outer membrane muscle cell) and bad things (expecially if at rest and
    in a caloric surplus where all glycogen stores are full yet).

    You can say: " Are you satisfied with the results you have with GDA's? Are you achieving the desired effect? GOOD, SHoot-UP and use it!"
    But I need to know the mechanism of cause-effect to full enjoy a supplement.
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