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    Homemade preworkout vs premade one


    Hey guys I've been takin hemavol as my pwo of choice. I do love it but 40 bucks after shipping every month, in combination with my other supps, is getting expensive. I was wondering if a homemade pwo with agmatine as base pump ingredient would be just as good? Obviously I don't want 5,6,7 ingredients in it. No caffeine. I figured agmatine, Citrulline, GPLC. Or would just taking agmatine pwo be a good idea?

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    GPLC is and of itself is rather expensive as well. You can make your own that will be cheaper of course.

    ALCAR 2g, Agmatine 1g, Citrulline Malate 7g, Beta Alanine/Creatine 3g/3g (not pertinent to being dosed peri-workout; simply for convenience), GMS 6g; etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    GPLC is and of itself is rather expensive as well. You can make your own that will be cheaper of course.

    ALCAR 2g, Agmatine 1g, Citrulline Malate 7g, Beta Alanine/Creatine 3g/3g (not pertinent to being dosed peri-workout; simply for convenience), GMS 6g; etc.
    This sounds good, but buying all of the bulk ingredients I'm not convinced would save you very much money. My suggestion would be to start stripping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    This sounds good, but buying all of the bulk ingredients I'm not convinced would save you very much money. My suggestion would be to start stripping.
    Then in that case, Agmatine and Citrulline would be the main 2 I'd go w/. Already have some mono in storage.
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    beta-alanine would be a good one to keep around also
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    Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    GPLC is and of itself is rather expensive as well. You can make your own that will be cheaper of course.

    ALCAR 2g, Agmatine 1g, Citrulline Malate 7g, Beta Alanine/Creatine 3g/3g (not pertinent to being dosed peri-workout; simply for convenience), GMS 6g; etc.
    This.

    If you make your own, you can mess around with doses too.

    Only reason I sometimes buy pre made ones is the convenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    This.

    If you make your own, you can mess around with doses too.

    Only reason I sometimes buy pre made ones is the convenience.

    I remember doing a cost/benefit analysis comparing popular premade pwo's vs homemade ones..I wish I still had it saved on my comp.. But if you have the upfront money, it's way more cost efficient to buy bulk and just make your own..I don't remember exactly but I believe the ingredients lasted me for 6 months and total cost put out was like 100 tops..Maybe less..Also, for flavor, some sugar free kool-aid always does the trick!
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    I used to make my own. I like premade better now; maybe I just got too lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    I used to make my own. I like premade better now; maybe I just got too lazy.
    This is my thought and flavoring, mixing, measuring while I am at work is not something I want to deal with. I like other people doing the thinking sometimes and once you find a good pre-workout, all you have to do is drink and show up to the gym.
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    This is precisely what I do with SNS:

    1 serving Ephedrine + Caffeine
    9g SNS Citrulline Malate
    2g SNS ALCAR
    2g Glucuronolactone
    Nitrate source of choice (I use APS Creatine Nitrate or yok3d)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is precisely what I do with SNS:

    1 serving Ephedrine + Caffeine
    9g SNS Citrulline Malate
    2g SNS ALCAR
    2g Glucuronolactone
    Nitrate source of choice (I use APS Creatine Nitrate or yok3d)
    Why do you add in nitrates? No agmatine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Why do you add in nitrates? No agmatine?
    Nitrates have a lot of good data on them, and they work for me. I take agmatine with food
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nitrates have a lot of good data on them, and they work for me. I take agmatine with food
    This is my take on them, and mind you I like the effect I get from them. They are not necessary. If you workout hard, you can get great pumps with carbs or with no carbs. Actually when I eat a higher fat, low carb diet, I get WAY better pumps that way than I do eating a lot of carbs. Nitrates just enhance the effect that is why I view them as highly optional (but I still love the extra pump I get from a pre-workout with them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    This is my take on them, and mind you I like the effect I get from them. They are not necessary. If you workout hard, you can get great pumps with carbs or with no carbs. Actually when I eat a higher fat, low carb diet, I get WAY better pumps that way than I do eating a lot of carbs. Nitrates just enhance the effect that is why I view them as highly optional (but I still love the extra pump I get from a pre-workout with them).
    I dont understand the logic behind better pumps w. lower carbs other than less water retention.. But carbs pre workout will always give a better pump.. It's how much you consume the rest of the day which creates that water retention that can make vascularity less prominent
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    Their benefits are far beyond pump. PubMed and see.
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    What are the other benifits? I have a bottle of yoked laying around.
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    I did mention PubMed...right?

    Here is a thread/post with many:
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    This is my take on them, and mind you I like the effect I get from them. They are not necessary. If you workout hard, you can get great pumps with carbs or with no carbs. Actually when I eat a higher fat, low carb diet, I get WAY better pumps that way than I do eating a lot of carbs. Nitrates just enhance the effect that is why I view them as highly optional (but I still love the extra pump I get from a pre-workout with them).
    I don't use them for a pump
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is precisely what I do with SNS:

    1 serving Ephedrine + Caffeine
    9g SNS Citrulline Malate
    2g SNS ALCAR
    2g Glucuronolactone
    Nitrate source of choice (I use APS Creatine Nitrate or yok3d)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is precisely what I do with SNS:

    1 serving Ephedrine + Caffeine
    9g SNS Citrulline Malate
    2g SNS ALCAR
    2g Glucuronolactone
    Nitrate source of choice (I use APS Creatine Nitrate or yok3d)
    I like this combo.. I'm on a major stim break as I have epic adrenal fatigue so caff/stims are a no go.. S*** sucks horribly.. Got a doc appt on Thurs to get a hydrocortisone rx. Hopefully it'll work...Anyways, that was off track..I was thinkin Citrulline, Agmatine, Alcar, and a nitrate, plus maybe Beta-Alanine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I did mention PubMed...right?

    Here is a thread/post with many:
    Creatine Nitrate?
    Haha yea you did, but I was hoping for the cliff notes
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't use them for a pump
    What do you use them for?
    How much yoked do you use, and do you take it like the directions say or like 30min pre-wo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Haha yea you did, but I was hoping for the cliff notes
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    What do you use them for?
    How much yoked do you use, and do you take it like the directions say or like 30min pre-wo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I like this combo.. I'm on a major stim break as I have epic adrenal fatigue so caff/stims are a no go.. S*** sucks horribly.. Got a doc appt on Thurs to get a hydrocortisone rx. Hopefully it'll work...Anyways, that was off track..I was thinkin Citrulline, Agmatine, Alcar, and a nitrate, plus maybe Beta-Alanine.
    You won't get an Rx as most physicians regonize stimulant-induced adrenal fatigue is non existent. But that combo is awesome, yup
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You won't get an Rx as most physicians regonize stimulant-induced adrenal fatigue is non existent. But that combo is awesome, yup
    Yea I know thats what I'm a bit leery about.. I'm goin to tell them straight up that it's from abuse of stimulants..Besides, how hard is it to prescribe hydrocortisone in small doses? .I hope they aren't ignorant b/c I can't deal with the brain fog 24/7

    edit: I know adrenal fatigue results in low cortisol levels (hence why im looking to get IsoCort rx) but will I get "fatter" using this? I have a squeaky clean diet as it is, but hormones can affect this.. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I like this combo.. I'm on a major stim break as I have epic adrenal fatigue so caff/stims are a no go.. S*** sucks horribly.. Got a doc appt on Thurs to get a hydrocortisone rx. Hopefully it'll work...Anyways, that was off track..I was thinkin Citrulline, Agmatine, Alcar, and a nitrate, plus maybe Beta-Alanine.
    Where is the sublingual dose of B12, that will help a ton with natural energy as will a high dose of ALCAR (2-4 grams).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Where is the sublingual dose of B12, that will help a ton with natural energy as will a high dose of ALCAR (2-4 grams).
    I've been doin a b complex along w/ vitamin c every morning.. Hasn't really seemed to do anything for me, tbh
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I've been doin a b complex along w/ vitamin c every morning.. Hasn't really seemed to do anything for me, tbh
    Did you miss the SUBLINGUAL part I posted? The absorption rate is so much higher that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Yea I know thats what I'm a bit leery about.. I'm goin to tell them straight up that it's from abuse of stimulants..Besides, how hard is it to prescribe hydrocortisone in small doses? .I hope they aren't ignorant b/c I can't deal with the brain fog 24/7

    edit: I know adrenal fatigue results in low cortisol levels (hence why im looking to get IsoCort rx) but will I get "fatter" using this? I have a squeaky clean diet as it is, but hormones can affect this.. Thanks
    There is no reason to use cortisone. One cannot induce adrenal fatigue by using basic stims like caffeine, even at megadoses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Did you miss the SUBLINGUAL part I posted? The absorption rate is so much higher that way.
    It's actually near identical (quantified via study) unless you have an intrinsic factor deficiency (which I happen to have lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    There is no reason to use cortisone. One cannot induce adrenal fatigue by using basic stims like caffeine, even at megadoses.
    Then what could be the cause? Everything I've read point to overuse of caffeine

    Several sources also say this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23

    Then what could be the cause? Everything I've read point to overuse of caffeine

    Several sources also say this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Then what could be the cause? Everything I've read point to overuse of caffeineSeveral sources also say this.
    I'm guessing the sources saying this are either homeopathic quacks or e-scientists
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I'm guessing the sources saying this are either homeopathic quacks or e-scientists
    Ugh that's not good. I mean all of the symptoms of it match to what I'm feeling. Lack of energy, motivation, Signs of depression, brain fog, sudden hair loss, etc... The only cause I can think of is my excess use of caffeine in my pwo's. I know something's out of whack and I want to get it fixed ASAP.

    Edit: I can start a new thread about AF, as it kind of deviates from the initial thread topic..but I don't think anyone really cares lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Ugh that's not good. I mean all of the symptoms of it match to what I'm feeling. Lack of energy, motivation, Signs of depression, brain fog, sudden hair loss, etc... The only cause I can think of is my excess use of caffeine in my pwo's. I know something's out of whack and I want to get it fixed ASAP.

    Edit: I can start a new thread about AF, as it kind of deviates from the initial thread topic..but I don't think anyone really cares lol
    You are welcome to start a new thread. Research the board first. You may find that it is an "urban myth"
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    You are welcome to start a new thread. Research the board first. You may find that it is an "urban myth"
    I really dont believe that tbh. These things don't just happen.
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    I am not dismissing your anecdotal experience.

    Let me ask you - you are 5'11" tall and 160lbs? That is quite thin even if you are very very lean. In the event that you are very very lean your leptin and other brain/body physiology can casue those symptoms. In the event that you are not very lean than that is very skinny.

    How is your diet? Macros? EFA? When is the last time you over-ate and or ate in surplus (with lots of complex carbs) for extended periods?

    Lots of other factor can produce the symptoms you are experiencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Come on dude! Read what I linked you. No disrespect but you have the information right at your finger tips. It will answer your questions.
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